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  •  Yeah right (3+ / 0-)
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    Siri, Al Fondy, progressivevoice

    laying down and giving up has been soooo savvy for the past 20 years!! It's worked out real great, hasn't it?

    Give me a fucking break.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

    by JayRaye on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 08:29:42 AM PDT

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    •  Tell me where I told anyone to lay down? (2+ / 0-)
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      Please.  

      I want them to fight.. but fight smarter.   They are fighting stupidly right now and they will lose because of it, because they don't have the Chicago public on their side.

      Keeping those blinders on has worked out real great, hasn't it?

      •  and now you call them stupid? (4+ / 0-)

        You think you're soooo much smarter than 1000's of Chicago Teachers?

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For May: Martyrs of the San Diego Free Speech Fight, Spring 1912.

        by JayRaye on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 09:15:42 AM PDT

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        •  I think I'm a parent (1+ / 0-)
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          (a parent and a Democrat who strongly supports unions, by th way) who talks to other parents and other taxpayers in the city of Chicago, making observations from the outside that someone might want to consider.

          Or not.  That's fine.

          •  But you're afraid, Elaine. (3+ / 0-)
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            JayRaye, George Hier, bornadem

            You have allowed the media and the corporate reformers to make you fearful, to make you feel like what you've got is the best you're going to get for your daughter so be quiet or they'll come and take that away.

            But if everyone is quiet, they're going to take away even more.

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            by anastasia p on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 12:16:40 PM PDT

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            •  *sigh* (1+ / 0-)
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              I never said be quiet.  

              What I am saying is, from my peculiar view, is that the union has lost some signficant public support because the other side has successfully framed this as greedy teachers against kids.  The union has not, for whatever reason, been able to make any head way with its very real, very important, and very reasonable message that this is about the quality of education in the city of Chicago.  The union will suffer for that at the bargaining table because the mayor's office doesn't think that the public will continue to support them, especially with an extended strike.

              In my view, the union has been remiss in paying attention to this part of the issue, to its strategic detriment. I will admit, however, to being afraid that necessary changes to public education in Chicago will not occurr because it is now too late to undo the damage that the Union's lack of effective PR has caused.  

              That doesn't mean that they should be quiet, that they should give in, that they shouldn't strike, or that their demands are unreasonable.  But they do need to pay better attention to this particular facet of the war, and that IMHO, they would be stronger and more sucessful for it.

    •  Geeze, relax (4+ / 0-)

      JayRaye, ElaineinIN and others like myself are ON THE SAME SIDE AS YOU.  ElaineinIN is just pointing out what she's seeing on the ground and you're jumping all over her.  RELAX.  Start discussing this intelligently and respectfully.  You're attacking the wrong person.

      [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

      by rabel on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 11:14:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, start attacking on Rahm some more. (0+ / 0-)

        He wanted to be mayor so badly, one would think he'd be better at it.

        "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

        by glorificus on Mon Sep 10, 2012 at 12:04:59 PM PDT

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