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  •  The perceptions of the Neanderthal are based (30+ / 0-)

    upon the earliest archeologists and anthropologists who finds in the Neander Valley led them to try to make a linear descent of man.  They compared the early finds to modern man and to the other primates and came to a conclusion that these people were the ape-like "cave men" missing links.
    Of course subsequent finds and developments have fleshed out what we know about these earlier cousins of ours and the first impressions were found to be too harsh.
    However by that time, popular culture and language had seized upon the concept and that is what is imbedded in our commonly held knowledge.  For example, recently I was watching a series of silent films, circa 1912-1920 and one of them involved cave people.  The presentation then to the 60's Flintstones has not changed a great deal.

    The current atmosphere of "Know Nothing" helps little as I note the state of KY is giving tax breaks to an "educational museum" which teaches Neanderthals were riding dinos.
    Alley Oop where are you when we need you?

    •  Also, the first found Neanderthal skeleton (34+ / 0-)

      was of an older man, with severe arthritis - making his form look hunched and brutish. Which completely ignored the fact that he was obviously being taken care of by the rest of his group!

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      by Fordmandalay on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 09:11:54 AM PDT

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      •  ironically the YE crew and folks at DI (11+ / 0-)

        have claimed in the past that there never were any such things as Neanderthals but that the skeletons were merely modern human skeletons deformed by extreme arthritis

        •  Yep! (6+ / 0-)

          Given the bow-legged deformities of his found leg-bones, contempories even suggested that the remains were those of a straggler Russian Cossack, or (the Lord banish the thought of it; a Polish one.).

          At the same time time, this (in our relatively more enlightened perspective.) gives us reason to assume that the Neanderthals cared for their elderly and/or stricken ones.

          An arthritic hunter is of little use to a band or tribe, but nevertheless, as evidenced by the found signs of advanced arthritic affliction, they cared for their own. This puts them in the same bracket of our own (specifically NOT our Corporate, in that sense sorely lacking) altruistic value system.

          The Neanderthals were not neccessarily an entirely different species from us (Interbreeding rules out specificity and we DID interbreed), but they probably were different enough from us to have a simple sneeze or a kiss be the harbinger of disease and death.

          The more I think about it, the more I would prefer to our kind as beloning to the Pan genus.  Pan-Sapiens-Sapiens sounds a lot better to me than Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens. (No LGBT implications intended or made.).
          I sometimes dream of having been born as a Bonobo and it was a very pleasant dream.
          I would not have climbed out of that tree to begin with.

          But okay, maybe my $0.02 go only that far.

          There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow! It's just a stupid thing to say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow! (Eugene Hutz)

          by Kalong on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:26:18 PM PDT

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          •  being a Bonobo would be too exhausting for me nt (1+ / 0-)
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          •  I remember a dream where I (2+ / 0-)
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            galloped on all fours to run faster. And the rest of the group did look like we might have been that sort of primates. Interesting dream, the first I ever remember being in a body that wasn't human.

            I wonder how common that is?

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            by FarWestGirl on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 06:10:50 PM PDT

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          •  Más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo (6+ / 0-)

            I'd have to take exception to this part:

            An arthritic hunter is of little use to a band or tribe, but nevertheless, as evidenced by the found signs of advanced arthritic affliction, they cared for their own.
            Culture, like the ability to run with good endurance (also an important advantage of the various Homo species), or having opposable thumbs, is an evolutionary advantage.  And unlike your genetic characteristics, which you pass on while you are still of breeding age, an old person knows things.  And can pass those things on at an age where most species have no use whatsoever for an individual.

            The quote, if you don't recognize it, is an old Spanish proverb:  "The Devil knows a great deal more because he is old, than because he's the Devil".

            Might be true of that arthritic hunter too.

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            by mbayrob on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:12:10 AM PDT

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            •  Tiens! Point taken. (0+ / 0-)

              Yet, in the not so distant past, when an Eskimo would have lost all of his/her teeth, he/she would be left out on the ice to die so as to no longer be a burden to the tribe, no matter how much wisdom and knowledge he/she would have.

              Nope! we are not as pleasant a species as some would make us believe.

              There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow! It's just a stupid thing to say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow! (Eugene Hutz)

              by Kalong on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:19:28 AM PDT

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    •  Misinformation (7+ / 0-)

      is unfortunately something that lingers for a very, very long time. Another example: Dinosaurs. Ask anyone, and they'll  likely say all the dinosaur species went extinct.

      In truth, many of them morphed into what we today call "birds." Birds are really just modern versions of dinosaurs, up to and including the fact that both were feathered.

      Raptors, those scary dinosaurs (as depicted) from Jurassic Park, were in reality basically overgrown turkeys.

      •  evolving into something else and going extinct (4+ / 0-)

        are not mutually exclusive. Dinosaurs evolved into birds and went extinct. Birds still exist, but they are not dinosaurs. Homo erectus was one of our ancestors; we're still here, but they're gone. There's no contradiction there.

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        by ubertar on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:47:22 PM PDT

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        •  Most things go extinct (1+ / 0-)
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          Evolution is a process of diversification and winnowing down.  But no, going extinct and evolving into something else are mutually exclusive.  It's the species that have time to diversify that "become" something else.  The ones that become extinct, like the famous pilot from Pulp Fiction, become nothing.

          Mitt Romney is a T-1000 sent back from the Future as a harbinger of the upcoming Robot Apocolypse.

          by mbayrob on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:17:00 AM PDT

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          •  That's incorrect. (0+ / 0-)

            What you're saying is true about evolution within a species. The difference between dinosaurs and birds is well beyond that. The classification system goes kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species. The difference between dinosaurs and birds, if I'm not mistaken, is one of class. At any rate, it's not on the species level, which is how extinctions are considered. Trilobites may have living descendants in other species, but trilobites are gone. They're extinct.

            Mitt Romney = Draco Malfoy

            by ubertar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:35:23 AM PDT

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            •  Just to clarify... (0+ / 0-)

              I'm using trilobites as an example of an extinct species that gave rise to other living things that are still around. They (obviously) weren't dinosaurs. We could just as easily use examples of dinosaur species that evolved into birds. Someone mentioned raptors and turkeys. Turkeys exist today. Raptors don't. If raptors evolved into turkeys, that doesn't make raptors any less extinct.

              Mitt Romney = Draco Malfoy

              by ubertar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:40:43 AM PDT

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          •  You seem to have confused (0+ / 0-)

            the concept of extinction with that of "dead end". Not every extinct species was a dead end.

            Mitt Romney = Draco Malfoy

            by ubertar on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:43:13 AM PDT

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      •  look outside your window.... (5+ / 0-)

        and you see feathery looking dinosaurs with every bird you see.
        Chicken on the grill? = Dinosaur on the griddle.
        Nicely pre-fermented pheasant? =
        Pleasantly putrid Dinosaur.
        Road-runner? Raptor!
        Bald Eagle? Predatory raptor who really prefers to steal its prey from others, other than having to find and catch it on its own.

        I prefer Ravens.
        They are smart.
        They educate their young and know that their source of food is just a means to survive.

        Ravens are workers and have a code of honour and dignity.
        One which eludes most republicans.

        Nuf said.

        There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow! It's just a stupid thing to say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow! (Eugene Hutz)

        by Kalong on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:55:57 PM PDT

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        and you see feathery looking dinosaurs with every bird you see.
        Chicken on the grill? = Dinosaur on the griddle.
        Nicely pre-fermented pheasant? =
        Pleasantly putrid Dinosaur.
        Road-runner? Raptor!
        Bald Eagle? Predatory raptor who really prefers to steal its prey from others, other than having to find and catch it on its own.

        I prefer Ravens.
        They are smart.
        They educate their young and know that their source of food is just a means to survive.

        Ravens are workers and have a code of honour and dignity.
        One which eludes most republicans.

        Nuf said.

        There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow! It's just a stupid thing to say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow! (Eugene Hutz)

        by Kalong on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:56:08 PM PDT

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      •  Overgrown and really irritable. ;-) n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

        by FarWestGirl on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 06:12:33 PM PDT

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    •  Here, Boss! (0+ / 0-)

      The stain of Bain is wrecking Romney's name. h/t to Lerner & Lowe

      by LeftOfYou on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 09:40:36 AM PDT

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