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  •   The terms do not need to be consecutive. (2+ / 0-)
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    IreGyre, hungrycoyote

    That might be the key, two terms and out for at least one term. That way a really popular president could be brought back without the danger of an entrenchment.
    Downticket, I have problems with Term Limits. One of the advantages to the House is that there are people there that wave been there ten-twelve terms, they know where the handles are and what happens when you pull them. High turnover legislatures that many states have now with Term Limits, have led to a situation where only the lobbyists have institutional memory, ALL the Legislators are n0obs.

    •  high turnover also gives an edge to the career (1+ / 0-)
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      bureaucrats. Institutions do have a tendency to become sclerotic.  Four years is hardly enough time for an executive to get a handle on the mechanisms of governing. Whatever s/he achieves in the first term will prompt increased resistance in the second by people who know there are only four years to go.
      It is not just the executive whose powers must be periodically checked. What affects one entity often has unexpected consequences for another.
      The Congress, however, has rather been consistently keen on power without having to account and shifting responsibility for policy on to the executive.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 08:49:09 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, term limits at the top only... (2+ / 0-)
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      hungrycoyote, CuriousBoston

      the revolving door of future lobbyists replacing those who graduate to corporate reward posts is poisoning state legislatures... They should be removed at the state level...

      But at the top nationally term limits for the president protects democracy from the danger of creeping dictatorship. And that should be the only place it is used.

      Putin is a great example of how even term limits intent can be evaded... but having only a recent weak democratic tradition made that possible over there... We could re-elect Obama after an interim presidency with someone else...

      But that is a big maybe with a ton of unknowns to come.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 10:45:30 AM PDT

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