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  •  Kids need physical activity. (10+ / 0-)

    What they don't need is the uber-competetiveness that comes with most 'team' sports.  Kids would be better off if they could have their phys ed channeled into activities where they only 'compete' against themselves, measuring their own progress in terms of stamina, strength and tone - activities they could continue on in life without needing to join 'leagues' or 'teams'.

    If they need to learn teamwork, do that in lab and vocational classes.

    •  Agree. (2+ / 0-)
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      tikkun, JerryNA

      Unfortunately, in my day, it seemed like most PE teachers were failed jocks, so they weren't really the right people to engineer a paradigm shift.

      Maybe things have changed?

      Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

      by Bush Bites on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 07:06:10 PM PDT

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    •  I think team sports are fine (2+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron, JerryNA

      It's the parents that are uber-competitive.   Nothing wrong with a pickup basketball or baseball game, but I agree that team sport as practiced in these formal leagues, with todays ultra-intrusive parents is problematic.

      I'm truly sorry Man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union--Robert Burns

      by Eric Blair on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 07:15:00 PM PDT

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      •  Back in the 50s and 60s (2+ / 0-)
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        students in our school system were burdened with terrible teachers who were coaches.  They were given positions that school boards and principals thought were "easy" classes.  History and civics were handed out to coaches.  Friday pep rallies where the same 30 or 40 people were trotted out for the adulation of the general student population were a serious waste of educational hours.

        When schools needed to save money, they cut art and music while going the last mile to preserve competitive sports programs

        I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that these practices continues today.  Competitive athletics in high schools and colleges make a joke of claims of the serious educational intent of many administrators and elected school officials.  

        Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

        by tikkun on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 07:38:04 PM PDT

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        •  I was one of those (2+ / 0-)
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          kids who went to pep rallies. They were great fun. We didn't miss any classes, they were after school.

          We had music and art.

          I was also one of those kids who played competitive sports. I loved it. I learned teamwork, how to be a good loser and winner. Sports were an integral part of my school experience.

          I was a serious student and an athlete.

    •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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      pollyusa

      So the (in most cases) once-in-a-lifetime ability to have a competitive team experience should be eliminated in favor of toe-touches and the 'teamwork' of rebuilding a 350 engine?
      Seldom will one play in a band or sing in a choir beyond High School either. Do you propose eliminating those as well?

      •  Where do you live? (1+ / 0-)
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        JerryNA

        Most cities and health facilities of any sort, public or private, offer intermural team or 'league' sports.

        I'm guessing you're very rural and nobody ever moves to a city, if it's a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity to you.

        I'm not suggesting in any shape or form that we eliminate 'things you will rarely do later in life'.  I'm suggesting we eliminate the things that indoctrinate kids with the social darwinism sort of ideas that wingnuts embrace.   The ideas that there must be winners and losers, that life is a zero sum game, that for you to be 'worthy' or 'valuable' you must have trophies to show that other people are worse than you in some way.

        Replace them with teamwork activities that foster sharing and caring about the contributions of others without requiring some other subset of people who are 'lesser' than you.

        •  Wonderful condensending attitude. (0+ / 0-)

          So, please, do tell where one can be part of an 'uber-competitive' team sport outside of High School?
          "show other people are worse than you in some way"
          I never thought of it that way. Perhaps you should consider why you do.

    •  Competitive Extracurricular activities can benefit (1+ / 0-)
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      pollyusa

      Competitive Extracurricular activities can benefit kids because they have a chance to push the limits of their ability beyond the merely sufficient, especially through practice and shared effort.  This is true whether in baseball, band, or the biochemistry competing team... (yes, my son's high school competes in biochemistry, although their football is terrible.).

      Not all kids want to do this in a setting where people are yelling at you.

      I guess our disagreement is more that I don't think the intent of classroom instruction should be to push the kids to find their limits through team competition.  Some kids just need to learn the material and should not be required to love and cherish the material as well.

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