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  •  Mobilize Against the War and other big demos (0+ / 0-)

    in the 60's and 70's deliberately blocked traffic -- and it was for longer than 2 minutes, believe me.  The goal was to bring the city (Washington) to a standstill for a day, on the theory that if the US could destroy another country, blowing it to smitheens one rice-field at a time, then we had to at least make some disruption here at home so the powers that be (we said, "The Ruling Class," of course) would get the news that this just wasn't going to keep rolling along smoothly.  THrow a monkey-wrench in the war machine.

    I was one of the people who argued for carefully targetted disruption, so we wouldn't just pointlessly alienate ordinary people.  But I was always considered moderate to a fault.

    Look, proselytizing evangelicals irritate the hell out of me.  But if we're talking 2 minutes, even 4 minutes -- it's really not worth making a federal case out of it.

    If you get to Mobilize levels, yeah, you have to expect to get arrested.  But 2 minutes?  Really?

    --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

    by Fiona West on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 05:15:17 PM PDT

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    •  And that was civil disobedience (6+ / 0-)

      i.e. illegal, and those participating went in with the full expectation that the authorities were not going to help them and if they ended up within arm's reach of a cop they'd be arrested.

      We actually don't tolerate this stuff as a society. As individuals, we may support direct action of various sorts, but as a society, we arrest people who engage in it, because it is (necessarily and deliberately) disruptive.

      What went wrong here is that the bus driver, as a representative of the government operating in her official capacity, went along. That's not how it works.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 06:58:53 PM PDT

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    •  Like he said, if it means being late to (2+ / 0-)
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      a class and having a problem there, two minutes can be significant.  What if it makes you miss a connection to another bus? Maybe you needed the rest of your 5 winks.

      It is an invasion of time, personal thoughts that may be preparation for where you are going. And they have to realize it is a stress hormone trigger. So kind to rile someone up and let them have to take a test or give a presentation with an extra jolt of adrenalin.

       I reject the comparison to protesters for political causes. They are much more considerate and it is about something that affects all citizens.

      It is really disrespectful to impose your beliefs like that on other people without even asking. I don't try to force mine on anyone and I also don't condemn others for their beliefs.  When they start acting on them in harmful ways, I do speak up.

      Yes we have to deal with interruptions and delays, with anger and stress hormones that get triggered because they are inevitable if you go out in the world. That is a piece we tend not to use enough. The emotions do give us the energy to do something, so that the problem will not recur.

      Venting is part of the process. Unloads some hormones, helps your mind grapple with the problem, may produce action plans.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 10:45:31 PM PDT

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