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  •  Egypt is the example of a revolution unrealized (7+ / 0-)

    The People's Revolution was temporarily stymied when the military elite seemed to give in to demands for trials for the corrupt and a more democratic transparent government.

    In truth most of the reforms were cosmetic, so the corrupt went uncorrupted and the graft continued unabated.  Under the surface there have been continuous demonstrations against the military for locking up dissidents and jailing them without trials.  Torture continued as a method of control.

    To make a long story short, the Arab Spring is not over; we are seeing a society in transition.  To make a historical comparison, the current situation is roughly what we saw after the czar was ousted in pre-Revolutionary Russia and the moderates apparently took control.  However, they were unable to placate the radicals and they were also unable to correct the abuses of the Czarist system.  They were doomed to failure, as such a Herculean task would take extraordinary men which they were not.

    The failure of the military to truly clean their Augean stables of corruption and graft and to punish the guilty did not placate the street.  Furthermore, their crackdown on dissidents only served to radicalize many and create a fertile ground for the real extremists.  My guess is that the military will continue on their current course until there is either an open Libyan style civil war or the rank and file military mutiny and join the dissidents, purging the officer corps.

    In either case, it appears Egypt will descend farther in chaos than it already has  

    •  This diary takes a cheap shot at Morsy (3+ / 0-)
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      mint julep, corvo, JDsg

      the Morsy response to the killing of the American ambassador was completely appropriate.

      entlord, you do a good review of the problems in Egypt. However, I think that the violent overthrow of a dictator that was supported for 40 years by the US was a dramatic and good change for the people. A new democratic leader was elected and he has done a very good job in handling the problems with the military generals that are a carry over from the dark days.

      Chaos is completely normal in that kind of situation. But, to this point the new Morsy leadership has done excellent work in managing the many factions in Egypt who all expect to profit from the revolution.

      War is costly. Peace is priceless!

      by frostbite on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 06:17:49 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you to a degree (2+ / 0-)
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        pravin, mickT

        however, revolutions have a way of creating their own momentum, as seen in the French, Russian and Chinese Revolutions among others.  While the moderates may ride the tiger for a while, without radical changes, they are doomed to fail.  The failure with the current government is that is has not stopped the abuse of dissidents nor have they purged the military.  Once there is meaningful reform of the judicial system and a meaningful purge of the generals who profited from the old regime, I cannot be sanguine about the future of the current state of governance

        •  Forsy needs to follow existing constitutional (1+ / 0-)
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          corvo

          law. He has been hampered by the supreme court, however, he was able to get rid of the top general and have him replace with a more cooperative one.

          Doing purges is not a very democratic solution.

          War is costly. Peace is priceless!

          by frostbite on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 07:03:45 PM PDT

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      •  So, you are the useful tool for the O Reilly types (1+ / 0-)
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        mickT

        They take selective comments like yours from these blogs and then show it as liberals being apologetic for foreign interests but harsher on our own. I am not saying you are. But I just find it curious that there have been many Romney bashing diaries for comments that are just tone deaf as the ones made by this Egyptian guy, and without a doubt, some of the diaries have to be harsher on him thanI have been on this Egyptian guy, yet you choose my diary to say I am taking a cheap shot?

        By the way, I had no problem bashing Romney for his distortions and tone deafness. And I have no problem bashing this guy Morsi for not doing much to calm the situation down, and for not explaining to his people that this is the work of some lunatic the US Government cannot control and that for the safety of his own people, he would have to make sure he ensures the safety of foreign embassies on their land.

        We are not talking about the guy's record. We are talking about his response to this incident. And it is found wanting. We are lucky no one died in Egypt. No thanks to him.

        •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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          So, you are the useful tool for the O Reilly types(1+ / 0-)

          They take selective comments like yours from these blogs and then show it as liberals being apologetic for foreign interests but harsher on our own. I am not saying you are.

          But you did.  In the subject line to your comment.
          •  I did not use it to generalize Dkos (0+ / 0-)

            I used to it question him. Not 100% sure if he is really sympathetic to Morsi. But it seems weird that he feels defensive enough of some islamic foreign leader to come to his defense by saying I am taking a cheapshot, yet he never felt obligated to say anything on behalf of ROmney who has taken a lot more abuse on this site.

            What O Reilly will do is take his comment and then use that as evidence most people on Dkos feel this way when it is not true. I am just using it to question him alone, not the entire Dkos community.

            •  perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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              I used to it question him. Not 100% sure if he is really sympathetic to Morsi. But it seems weird that he feels defensive enough of some islamic foreign leader to come to his defense by saying I am taking a cheapshot, yet he never felt obligated to say anything on behalf of ROmney who has taken a lot more abuse on this site.
              you're answering your own question.  In a world where everyone agrees that water is wet, it's not surprising when not everyone talks about that fact.

              I think we have better things to do with our lives than live in fear of Bill O'Reilly.

              •  Well one reason is I disagree wit this guy (0+ / 0-)

                My O Reilly reference was that he takes comments like his and then extrapolates it to stereotype the whole community. But I do disagree with this guy's individual comment.

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