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  •  Actually.... (9+ / 0-)

    that's a pretty moderate response considering who is in power in Egypt at the moment.   The government voted in and appointed is pretty strongly muslim.

    They condemned the movie first.  

    They condemned violations of the rule of law second.

    They affirmed the right to assemble and free speech third.

    But they did actually do the second two.  That's actually fairly new.   If you take it all at face value, Egypt's government is saying:

    1.  We are unhappy about the American movie
    2.  We support the right of Egypt's citizens to protest it in public
    3.  We do not support violating the law during the protest (this would be the "storming the embassy" part)

    You can quibble over the emphasis, but we're not their culture, and we don't have as many wingnuts on a percentage basis that turn an insult into armed violence (we do have some).  The heart of the message is actually what we want them to be saying.  We WANT Egypt to respect freedom to protest, AND to respect rule of law, after all.

    Libya is responding more affirmatively,  but they owe the USA a lot more, Americans are a lot more popular there at the moment, the person killed was VERY popular and the focus is on treating the killers as criminals.  Good for them.

    •  that is a good point that i overlooked in my (1+ / 0-)
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      Morsi is responsible for Egypt, not Libya--so he does have license for a more muted comment... but there absolutely should have been stronger condemnation of the attack on the embassy in Cairo.

    •  His regret over the embassy incident is like Romne (1+ / 0-)
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      It's all about emphasis. There was nothing in the tone of that statement that would placate the masses anger about the movie. it was more of a "hey it;s not good for our business" type attitude. Its just as fake as Romney using the incident to attack Obama. Sure, Romney expressed regret over the killings too.

      This is worse. Morsi is responsible for anything on his soil. He needs to express stronger condemnation.

      •  I don't give a crap about the tone (3+ / 0-)
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        The words are actually quite amazing coming out of a government that Egypt actually has.

        Freedom of speech
        Rule of Law

        Remember, all that happened in Egypt was a protest and some property violations (trespass, removing American flag, replacing with AQ flag).

        Nobody was hurt, nobody killed.  I think some protesters were tear gassed earlier, but that's about it.  I've even heard that some of them were arrested.

        What's happening in Libya isn't Morsi's problem, any more than it is Tunesia's problem.

        He addressed what happened in his own country.

        I don't especially care that much about motives.   If a government lets its people protest, arrests the ones that get out of hand.....what's the problem?

        He said to his own people "You can protest in a lawful manner but if you  break the law we'll arrest you."

        That seems to draw the line brightly enough.

      •  it is? (2+ / 0-)
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        I am curious.  How do you know this?

        Its just as fake as Romney using the incident to attack Obama.
        I see no basis to think it's anything than what it is at face value.  Unless you assume your conclusions (that Morsi is a bad actor), I don't see anything that points to this

        Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

        by Mindful Nature on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 06:03:04 PM PDT

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        •  That's like repubs defending romney (0+ / 0-)

          Can you really tell what's in Romney's mind by those high stzandards you set?

          •  It is like (2+ / 0-)
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            Any fair minded empiricist defending anybody.   If you start with the belief that someone is a bad person, then use your belief to interpret their actions and then use your interpretation as evidence that they are bad (which is the attitude that you started with) then you've got a nicely circular bit of reasoning to bolster your initial prejudice.  It is a very common fallacy to support such biases.  This, I tend to point it out when I see it (indeed, I took a kossack to task earlier to day for an over the top attack.). It is also the same tactic used by Linbaugh and other disreputable types

            Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

            by Mindful Nature on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 06:16:07 PM PDT

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        •  Morsi's a 911 truther. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Number 3 is a stretch. At the very least he should (0+ / 0-)

      have made a statement that in the future they will do better in protecting these embassies.

      "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

      by voroki on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 05:59:07 PM PDT

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      •  No, #3 is very clear (0+ / 0-)

        here is the text.  Second part of the sentence, in context:

         "it respects and protects the right of expression and the right to protest peacefully under the law and will firmly oppose any irresponsible attempt to veer off the law."

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