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  •  well, judging by primary victories (5+ / 0-)

    I think I might be closer to the pulse of the party than you.

    Nothing personal (that's a key difference here, there seems to be a lot of personalization from your side while I want results).

    Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

    by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:33:05 AM PDT

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    •  I'm sure following me around trolling isn't... (3+ / 0-)

      personal. Really, the Democratic Primary? You think you predicted that? lol. Whatevah.

      ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

      by priceman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:35:41 AM PDT

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      •  Name one"progressive" primary victory (4+ / 0-)

        I'll wait.

        Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

        by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:37:03 AM PDT

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        •  Huey Long (4+ / 0-)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          Huey Long won in 1928 by tapping into the class resentment of rural Louisianans. He proposed government services far more expansive than anything in Louisiana history. Long won the Democratic Primary election on January 17, 1928, with less than a majority of the vote, 43.9 percent (126,842 votes), as his opponents split the anti-Long vote with Riley J. Wilson earning 28.3 percent (81,747) and Oramel H. Simpson garnering 27.8 percent (80,326). At the time, Long's margin was the largest in state history, and neither opponent chose to face him in a run-off election. He won the General Election on April 17, 1928, with 96.1 percent (92,941) of the vote.
          But perhaps you are trying the end justifies the means stupifying BS on President. Nixon only won in 1968 because Robert Kennedy was shot and barely at that as had Humphrey criticized the Vietnam war earlier, he would have won. Truman won using a populist campaign in 1948. Your bizarre theories on primaries and facts in general are not something I care one iota about and I'm certainly not going to hold your hand and read facts to you because you don't have the intellectual curiosity to think about any of them(For instance I go through why Carter really lost and it had 0 to do with Ted Kennedy who would have won if he was better prepared to answer why he would run. You see, there is always the missing nuance).

          ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

          by priceman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:08:56 AM PDT

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          •  Oh (3+ / 0-)

            you mean the man who was responsible for the "suspension of all constitutional guarantees in the state of Louisiana?" (1)  The man who confided to his biographer that "he intended to outlaw the Democratic and Republican parties and serve four terms 'as dictator of the country'" (2)

            Nice example.  Not exactly what I call progressive.  In fact, it seems like something I would go out into the street and fight against.  

            (1) Manchester, William: "A Narrative History of America, 1932-1972" p. 133.  Little, Brown and Company, 1975.

            (2) Ibid, p. 138.

            Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

            by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:25:50 AM PDT

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            •  cite fix (3+ / 0-)

              Manchester, William:  The Glory and the Dream: A Narrative History of America, 1932-1972" p. 133.  Little, Brown and Company, 1975.

              Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

              by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:28:19 AM PDT

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            •  How ... inconvenient nt (4+ / 0-)

              Next thing you'll claim is that intending to be Dictator of the United States is somehow a bad thing.

              Zen and the Art of Penis Truck Maintenance

              by virginislandsguy on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:02:30 AM PDT

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            •  He gave you FDIC insuarnce (3+ / 0-)
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              by filibustering the New Deal which were part of many of his programs(the reason you still have money in your accoutn after 2008). His rhetoric could go over the top, but your reference doesn't coincide with how he called FDR's NRA an abuse of power he was glad was over.

              FDR also wanted to steal his thunder. The party he created along with Dr. Townsend was responsible for the first SS platform. I know you don' care about old people or SS though.

              ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

              by priceman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:11:50 AM PDT

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              •  And he also built roads too, (2+ / 0-)

                I'd rather have inefficient democracy than an efficient dictatorship, thank you very much.  

                Now that I get a chilling feeling that you aren't so warm and fuzzy with the concept of constitutional governance (just as long as your side is calling the shots), I feel that there is no value to be had in communicating with you.  

                Have a nice day.  

                Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

                by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:18:49 AM PDT

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              •  LOL. Well Mussolini made the trains (1+ / 0-)
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                run on time and Hitler built the Autobahn.  You really need to study up on the first rule of holes.   You placed yourself directly in one when you decided to cite Huey Long as a "progressive".

                Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

                by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 06:49:23 PM PDT

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                •  No, I didn't out myself in a hole... (1+ / 0-)
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                  or make lazy conflations based upon one quote from one guy who is not really even the main authority on Long. Comparing Huey Long, Mussolini, and Hitler? Now that's lazy BS.

                  ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

                  by priceman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 07:28:49 PM PDT

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                  •  You are the one who called demogogue Long (1+ / 0-)
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                    a "progressive".  Yeah.  Progressives really join together with Father Coughlin (the Rush Limbaugh of his age).  So, keep digging there.  

                    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

                    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:55:54 PM PDT

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                    •  He heavily influenced the New Deal... (0+ / 0-)

                      and fought against Standard Oil and the robber barons in hi state. Father Coughlin was also a supporter of FDR in 1992(Oh no! Everyone abandon unemployment insurance!). He didn't really turn anti-semitic until Long's death but he was just one member of the Union party; a party that influenced pretty much most of the New Deal; like Dr. Pete Towsend and Social Security. Maybe all seniors are sellouts for being involved with SS? Mybe you should leave the party because some dude rote something unsubstantiated about Long once?

                      Teddy Roosveelt was a progressive despite his imperialistic tendencies and Long was also a progressive because of his contributions to working people despite what is written about him that is both exaggerated and not accurate for the most part.

                      You see, picking and choosing what you want to be reality because you worship a politician won't help you understand the nuances of history.

                      ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

                      by priceman on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:26:16 AM PDT

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                  •  Oh, and by the way, (1+ / 0-)
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                    go tothis pdf of the NYTimes, March 5, 1935, a speach by General Hugh Johnson,  the head of FDR's NRA.

                    In the speech he says:, amongst many other quotes regarding Long and Fr. Coughlin:

                    At least there is no such running with the hare and hunting with hounds about his little playmate, Huey Long.  You know just where he stands and how, given power, he will act; because you know how he has acted in the state of Louisiana.  There Huey is a dictator by force of arms and Adolf Hitler has nothing on him any way you care to look at them both.  In fact, Huey is the Hitler of one of our sovereign States - not in the forcible seizure of absolute and arbitrary powers alone but in the curious mixture of incredible mumbo-jumbo, the surface plausibility and undoubted personal magnetism that cause people to put their emotions before their reason and go stampeding off to nothing like a frightened sheep.
                    This speech is widely regarded to have been personally approved by FDR.  So, it is hardly a wild comparison.  It was being made 77 years ago.

                    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

                    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:17:56 AM PDT

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                    •  The NRA was struck down by the SCOTUS... (0+ / 0-)

                      and is a blight on FDR's legacy. Just because General Hugh Johnson said it doesn't make it true. There was no genocide in LA.

                      FDR stole Huey's thunder and didn't like being criticized like when Huey Long marched up to the capitol with an army of unemployed veterans once FDR canceled veteran's benefits. Long made FDR better despite their enmity.

                      ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

                      by priceman on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:30:45 AM PDT

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                      •  LOL. Your knowledge of history is underwhelming. (0+ / 0-)

                        There had been no genocide in Germany in 1935, but the comparison of Hitler to Long was (and still is) apt, AT THAT POINT in time.

                        Your silly attempts to portray a demgogic fascist who sided with an anti-Semitic Nazi sympathizer as the "true progressive" of the thirties is so patently ridiculous as to nullify the whole premise of this absurd diary.    Good day to you..  

                        Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

                        by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 07:32:27 AM PDT

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    •  Why do you want results? (5+ / 0-)

      Any particular goals in mind?

      "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:36:25 AM PDT

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    •  judging by primary victories is what you... (7+ / 0-)

      base your being closer to the pulse of the party?

      come on....

      the only people who show up in a primary that is uncontested (for the most part) are the people who are die hard supporters of whomever the sole person on the ballot is...  of course that person will win...

      hardly something to gauge the pulse of the party on, lol... but you go guy!  

      A) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12 B) "Stoking the base’s enthusiasm is part of a campaign’s job, whether or not it thinks it should have to do it." ~Michelle Goldberg

      by poligirl on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 07:24:09 PM PDT

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