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  •  They may have a duty to 'minister' - that is (5+ / 0-)

    provide religious guidance or comfort to those of all faiths.

    What they cannot be forced to do is violate their own faith's religious guidelines when it comes to providing specific religious acts - in this case, marriage.

    Forcing a chaplain to perform a marriage that violates his own doctrine and would be considered a invalid form of marriage in the view of his own religion would be a violation of the chaplain's 1st Amendment right from interference from governmental control.

    It's a moot point since it doesn't happen anyways and the military would never do it precisely because of the issue I raised.

    Power-Worshipping Fascist

    by campionrules on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:58:07 AM PDT

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    •  What's the general rule for chaplains? (3+ / 0-)
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      There must be a rule covering this already. Consider: a divorced Catholic needs to get an annulment from the Catholic Church of his or her first marriage before he or she can remarry. Suppose a Catholic priest who's a military chaplain is called upon to marry two non-Catholic service members, one or both of whom are divorced? (And who obviously don't have annulments from the Catholic Church.)

      What's the current rule? Does the priest have to perform the wedding?

      I suspect there are similar marriage restrictions imposed by other faiths. Do those faiths' military chaplains have to perform military weddings that don't meet the requirements of their faith?

      Whatever the current rule is, it should cover same-sex marriages. Or else it should be changed not just for same-sex marriages, but for all marriages that don't meet the requirements of the chaplain's sponsoring faith.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:05:23 AM PDT

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    •  Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      A Non-Christian minister giving last rites to a Catholic WOULD violate their own doctrine (ie A Rabbi who only beleives in ONE G-d, would be violating his faith by absolving the Catholic in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost)  I could list other examples of violating ones faith in ministering to those of other faiths.

      This all comes down to making excuses for bigots plain and simple.

      Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

      by Mannie on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:07:54 AM PDT

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      •  They wouldn't do that (3+ / 0-)
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        Firstly, they wouldn't even know how. They would provide whatever comfort they could, and pray with the person, which any minister of any faith would be able to do.

      •  What's the current rule? (0+ / 0-)

        Surely we Kossacks cannot be the first people to have stumbled upon these questions. Surely they have been hashed out by the military for, oh, about 200+ years now.

        I suspect the real sticky questions are of sacraments used by multiple faiths (marriage, baptism) than of those used by just one faith (last rites, confession to/forgiveness from the priest). But the military must have dealt with these sticky questions long, long before now.

        What's the current rule? I'm not saying that's where the analysis should end. I'm saying that's where it should start.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:33:26 AM PDT

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        •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

          by high uintas on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:36:29 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks, but that doesn't give the answer. (0+ / 0-)

            From that wiki link:

            The mission of the Chaplain Corps is:

            PROVIDE religious ministry and support to those of our own faith.

            FACILITATE for all religious beliefs.

            CARE for all Marines, Sailors and their family and friends.

            ADVISE commanders to ensure the free exercise of religion...

            The guiding principles are:

            We are faithful to our individual religious traditions and practices.

            We respect the right of others to hold spiritual beliefs and religious practices different from our own

            We cooperate and collaborate in ministry.

            The marriage question pits some of those values against others. The wiki article doesn't give any examples of how similar conflicts are already handled.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:44:54 AM PDT

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    •  This is specious (0+ / 0-)

      They would HAVE to "violate" their own religious tenants in order to effectively supply pastoral care.  

      Religious folks have used religion to justify all manner of despicable attitudes and behavior including racial discrimination.  

      At some point, we have to learn to get along.

      --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

      by chipoliwog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:26:58 PM PDT

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