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  •  I keep reading these diaries (1+ / 0-)
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    about the looming demographic catastrophe for the Republicans and I don't see any real reason to believe them.  When they need Hispanic or black voters, they'll find some new gimmick and change their strategy and their demographics.  That's the way things have always worked in politics.  

    •  I think the point is.. (4+ / 0-)
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      That they've tarnished their brand so badly, that 'Republican' will at some point go the way of the Whigs.

      They'll come back, just under a completely different banner. Hopefully the voices of reason will be in control again.

      Insert witty slogan here.

      by SniperCT on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:26:22 PM PDT

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      sethtriggs

      The GOP tried that in 2004. Gay marriage amendment and immigration reform. But both backfired in the long run.  The gay marriage amendment push actually pushed the national conversation leftward (and will affect the politics of the issue very soon). And immigration reform led to the whole "amnesty" backlash, which turned off Latinos.   So they can't really pivot to more conservative blacks and Latinos without alienating their base or energizing the other side.

      •  I think that's what many (0+ / 0-)

        people here thing, because the Republicans are so good at taking "last stands."  But it's just historically wrong.  Parties can and do change their positions and demographics when the need arises.  All it takes is one new presidential candidate.

        I'm amazed that Rahm Emanuel is pissing on the Chicago teachers right now.  There was a time when a Democrat doing that to a union, that would have been the end of his career.  The unions are still hugely important to the party.  But in 1992, the New Democrats started their own putsch within the Democratic Party and there are splits even here.  That's why there is so much cognitive dissonance when an asshole like Rendell goes on MSNBC to boast about how Rahm's doing this is making him look brave and courageous because he's "a Democrat standing up to the big unions."

        If Democrats can turn on the unions, if blacks can gravitate to the Democratic Party away from the Republicans, if southern Dixiecrat bigots can gravitate to the Republican Party, then yes, there can be enormous shifts in demographics in surprisingly short time.  And it's much shorter when losses force their hand.

        Here's another thought.  Jeb Bush and his Hispanic son.  Jeb may make his play in the next election.  If he doesn't, his son may soon thereafter.  Jeb as candidate could blow off the anti-immigrant nuts and make himself the Hispanic-friendly Democrat -- and I predict (you can disagree) that many Hispanics would flock to him because grudges over such things do not endure the way we imagine.

        Remember George Wallace?  He was the bigot of the bigots.  And yet, in the 70s, he tempered his views and apologized for his earlier positions -- and won reelection with a large part of the southern black vote.  Not a majority, but the fact that he could get ANY tells you something.  He did that in one election cycle, and he was George Fucking Wallace.

        Demographic political allegiances are not set in stone.

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