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  •  But it is rape apologism. (2+ / 0-)
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    erush1345, Bill W

    "trying to twist Wilén's story into a sexual assault".  Wilén's story is that she spent the whole evening telling him no to unprotected sex, went to sleep, and woke up to him having unprotected sex with her.  You're free to not believe it.  But to say that that isn't rape is legally false, incredibly offensive, and morally reprehesible.  And it is the very definition of rape apologism.  

    •  This is a much more complicated situation and (1+ / 0-)
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      poligirl

      you know that, too.  

      •  The accusations are not more complicated (0+ / 0-)

        than that.  The EAW charge is:

        4.  On 17th August 2010, in the home of the injured party [name given] in Enkoping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state. It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party’s sexual    integrity.
        Her statement is (skilling past the background details and the whole night of him trying to have unprotected sex with her and her refusing, and him agreeing reluctantly a few times to protected sex and ordering her around; also skipping the aftermath):
        They dozed off and she awoke and felt him penetrating her.  She immediately asked, “Are you wearing anything?”, to which he replied, “You”.  She said to him: “You better not have HIV”, and he replied, “Of course not”.  “She felt that it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue.  She didn’t have the energy to tell him one more time.  She had gone on and on about condoms all night long.  She has never had unprotected sex before.
        To reiterate: you're free to not believe it.  But to say that what is described isn't rape is is legally false (as demonstrated by several courts ruling as such), incredibly offensive, and morally reprehesible.
        •  I don't know if a rape occurred, neither do you. (0+ / 0-)

          We weren't there.  Someone alleges something.

          And we both know it's more complicated than that.  Diplomatic asylum doesn't follow those allegations.

          And then there's this today:

          WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange has been offered an Aboriginal Nations passport in an inner-city Sydney ceremony after he was "abandoned" by Australian authorities.
          •  To re-reiterate: (0+ / 0-)
            I don't know if a rape occurred, neither do you.
            "To reiterate: you're free to not believe it. But to say that what is described isn't rape is is legally false (as demonstrated by several courts ruling as such), incredibly offensive, and morally reprehesible."

            What part of this are you having trouble with?  I pointed out right of the bat that you're free to not believe it.  But that what is alleged is unambiguously rape.  There is nothing about the allegations that is "complicated".  They are rape.  Period.  An allegation of having sex with someone who's asleep, especially in violation of her rules while awake, is an allegation rape, period.  No "complication" involved.  Are you not accepting this?

            Now, if you're saying that the current situation is complicated, of course it is.  

            "Diplomatic asylum" means "Ecuador decided to not hand him over to Britain".  It has no meaning beyond that.  There is no international "asylum" status.  The word has whatever meaning each individual country assigns it to.  Ecuador isn't exactly a paragon of women's rights, and Correa himself has said some pretty awful stuff about rape.  Not quite Galloway level, but approaching it.

            Correa got what he wanted out of this - a way to boost his anti-western cred in Latin America.  He went from a figure that few cared about outsideof Ecuador to the next logical successor to Hugo Chavez as the unofficial "spokesman" of anti-western sentiment in Latin America, as well as distracting from his horrible free speech record at home.  

            FYI, the aboriginal nations of Australia give them out to anyone, and they're not legitimate passports (at least not recognized by Australia itself).  And not like it matters anyway.  Is your argument really, "Because a person has fans, that means they didn't do anything bad"?

            The way guilt is assessed is a court of law.  And that's what needs to happen.  And should have happened long, long ago.

            •  The alleged victim could be lying. (0+ / 0-)
              What part of this are you having trouble with?  
              But apparently you've already tried and convicted him, so you got that going for ya.

              Oh, that's all it means?  pfft.  

              "Diplomatic asylum" means "Ecuador decided to not hand him over to Britain".
              •  Your statement (0+ / 0-)
                The alleged victim could be lying.
                Which is why I wrote:
                : you're free to not believe it
                What part of that sentence are you having trouble with?  Again, my mind is boggling about how you're not understanding that.
                Oh, that's all it means?  pfft.  
                Yes, that literally is all it means.  It is not an internationally recognized status.  Most countries have their own internal definition, but apart from some local treaties, what one country declares about "asylum" has no bearing on others.
    •  The deleted tweets, of course, never existed. (3+ / 0-)
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      poligirl, gooderservice, triv33

      ‎"I weep for you," the Walrus said: "I deeply sympathize."

      by JesseCW on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 08:48:35 PM PDT

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