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  •  I don't know if a rape occurred, neither do you. (0+ / 0-)

    We weren't there.  Someone alleges something.

    And we both know it's more complicated than that.  Diplomatic asylum doesn't follow those allegations.

    And then there's this today:

    WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange has been offered an Aboriginal Nations passport in an inner-city Sydney ceremony after he was "abandoned" by Australian authorities.
    •  To re-reiterate: (0+ / 0-)
      I don't know if a rape occurred, neither do you.
      "To reiterate: you're free to not believe it. But to say that what is described isn't rape is is legally false (as demonstrated by several courts ruling as such), incredibly offensive, and morally reprehesible."

      What part of this are you having trouble with?  I pointed out right of the bat that you're free to not believe it.  But that what is alleged is unambiguously rape.  There is nothing about the allegations that is "complicated".  They are rape.  Period.  An allegation of having sex with someone who's asleep, especially in violation of her rules while awake, is an allegation rape, period.  No "complication" involved.  Are you not accepting this?

      Now, if you're saying that the current situation is complicated, of course it is.  

      "Diplomatic asylum" means "Ecuador decided to not hand him over to Britain".  It has no meaning beyond that.  There is no international "asylum" status.  The word has whatever meaning each individual country assigns it to.  Ecuador isn't exactly a paragon of women's rights, and Correa himself has said some pretty awful stuff about rape.  Not quite Galloway level, but approaching it.

      Correa got what he wanted out of this - a way to boost his anti-western cred in Latin America.  He went from a figure that few cared about outsideof Ecuador to the next logical successor to Hugo Chavez as the unofficial "spokesman" of anti-western sentiment in Latin America, as well as distracting from his horrible free speech record at home.  

      FYI, the aboriginal nations of Australia give them out to anyone, and they're not legitimate passports (at least not recognized by Australia itself).  And not like it matters anyway.  Is your argument really, "Because a person has fans, that means they didn't do anything bad"?

      The way guilt is assessed is a court of law.  And that's what needs to happen.  And should have happened long, long ago.

      •  The alleged victim could be lying. (0+ / 0-)
        What part of this are you having trouble with?  
        But apparently you've already tried and convicted him, so you got that going for ya.

        Oh, that's all it means?  pfft.  

        "Diplomatic asylum" means "Ecuador decided to not hand him over to Britain".
        •  Your statement (0+ / 0-)
          The alleged victim could be lying.
          Which is why I wrote:
          : you're free to not believe it
          What part of that sentence are you having trouble with?  Again, my mind is boggling about how you're not understanding that.
          Oh, that's all it means?  pfft.  
          Yes, that literally is all it means.  It is not an internationally recognized status.  Most countries have their own internal definition, but apart from some local treaties, what one country declares about "asylum" has no bearing on others.
          •  It's a she said/he said. (0+ / 0-)

            I don't have any "trouble" with anything other than the U.S. pressuring Sweden to get Assange back to Sweden so the U.S. can bring him to the U.S. and treat him like Bradley Manning or worse.

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