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  •  Sorry but reality seems different (5+ / 0-)
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    There are apparently many criminal jihadist gangs that have major power in Libya, as the central government is weak and apparently not in control of the country.  

    Libya seems to be a lawless country at this point with criminal terrorist gangs like the one killed the ambassador acting freely.  

    •  You sound like a broken record. (3+ / 0-)
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      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:01:15 AM PDT

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    •  "Criminal" "jihadist" "gangs" (4+ / 0-)
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      The central government is "weak." Is it possible that Libya does not want a federal structure? Is it possible that their decision will be some other form of government?

      Jihadist? Do you mean the people who came to Libya simply because it was the next possible place to "do jihad?" If you do, then you're not talking about "gangs," nor "crime." You're talking about a segment that the Libyans have never turned toward (despite the al-Libi's), because it is radical among radical radicalism and self-destroying without political objectives.

      "Gangs?" You mean tribes? The tribal groups that broke down during Kaddafi's rule assert their control over their own people, and in a time of lack of communication, wouldn't that fragment?

      Don't be sensationalist or fantastic. I know virtually nothing, and yet I know enough to know this.

      If money is the root of all evil, then what is Mitt Romney?

      by The Geogre on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:52:52 AM PDT

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      •  OK, but the point actually is (1+ / 0-)
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        Everywhere in n. Africa and the ME region experiencing the "Arab Spring" is nowhere near finished with the transition.

        Egypt is in serious trouble.. begging us for MORE money, which frankly we should not give them.

        our embassies in these nations-- if we are going to bother even having them there-- have to be protected with significant armed security forces-- from the U.S.

        we can't assume/depend on the home nations to protect our valuable people. that is a huge/dumb mistake

        "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:54:56 AM PDT

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        •  Is anyone depending on host nations? (0+ / 0-)

          This post illustrated that the host nationals, unbidden, sought to defend the Americans. There is copious evidence that they died in the defense of the Americans and that they sought to aid and rescue to American personnel.

          No one is depending on host nationals. This post simply demonstrated that this ain't "Libya."

          In fact, during the fighting against Kaddafi, a lot of people came across the border. An early BBC World Service report had the reporter say, explicitly, that the fighters coming across at the time of his reporting had claimed to be al Qaeda. Ok. Take that with a pound of salt. However, the remnant of the group is an ideology dedicated to overthrowing "Crusaders" instead of the oppressive regimes locally. They've made this call for thirty years, and the public turns away.

          So, are there some? Almost certainly. Was the attack here the product of one such group, and an organized attack that had bumpkiss to do with a movie? Probably. The FBI thinks so. The embassy took a military assault and fell. The response has been the sending of Marines to such bases. ...Seems logical: military group to prepare in case a military attack comes from an anti-national group.

          If money is the root of all evil, then what is Mitt Romney?

          by The Geogre on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:53:44 AM PDT

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          •  Better men (1+ / 0-)
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            'E carried me away     
            To where a dooli lay,     
            An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.      70
            'E put me safe inside,     
            An' just before 'e died:     
            "I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.     
            So I'll meet 'im later on     
            In the place where 'e is gone—      75
            Where it's always double drill and no canteen;     
            'E'll be squattin' on the coals     
            Givin' drink to pore damned souls,     
            An' I'll get a swig in Hell from Gunga Din!

      •  I mean criminal gangs of (1+ / 0-)
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        jihadists who terrorize and kill people who disagree with them.   That's the new 'democracy' of that country.  There is torture and war crimes.   Check to see what amnesty international mentioned about them.   The recent attack in the embassy by these  criminal elements shows how despicable and criminal these gangs are.

    •  What would call Chicago (1+ / 0-)
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      They lost 55 to street violence in one month but nobody is claiming lack of government.

      Libya definite has its problems. They just overthrew 4 decades of tyranny in a violent revolution that required the wide-spreading arming of the people.

      Now take Benghazi, which has seen the most violence. There as the attack of election day, 7 July. No one died then if my memory serves. Now we have this tragic attack.

      So 2 months with no violence. That's not the picture you want to paint is it?

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:08:51 AM PDT

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      •  Oh now you compare (0+ / 0-)

        Chicago to Libya?  Is that part of your conspiracy theory that Assad somehow controls Obama?

      •  Chicago (0+ / 0-)

        Actually, based on 14 years residence in the gray city, I'd say that it was a fair comparison. Certainly, Chicago has a sort of government downtown, but it puts its efforts into defending the wealthier white areas and leaves other enclaves to organize street gangs and to fend for themselves. There is a reason that the University of Chicago pays for its own police force, and has for 50 years.

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