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  •  50% of abortions are second abortions? (3+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, I haven't finished the diary yet, I was laughing too hard at that statistic from your dad.

    Y'know, people who cite alleged statistics should give a millisecond of thought first, just to make sure they're not saying something transparently ridiculous.

    So, how does that work? 50% of abortions are second abortions, and obviously everybody who had a second abortion first had a first abortion, so that would account for the other 50% of abortions. So now, we've accounted for all abortions, and we've also determined that everyone who has one abortion has exactly one more abortion.  Nobody has just one abortion, nobody has three or more abortions.  

    I mean, it's like saying 50% of people are the second child in their family. Come on. Nobody is an only child, no families have three or four or six kids?

    OK. I know. Religious wackos say dopey things, that's not news. But c'mon, people, even dopes, should be able to count to 2.

    •  Actually, evidently my father wasn't making (2+ / 0-)
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      that one up. He really did look it up, and so did I.

      Each year, about 2% of women aged 15-44 have an abortion; 47% of them have had at least one previous abortion.

      Abortion Statistics

      The thing is that my father only focused in on that one statistic among numerous others. Well, I don't if the page I linked to is where he got his number. He probably looked it up on a right-wing blog.

      The bigger picture here is that he's angry about that one statistic because sluts are getting multiple abortions on what he believes is taxpayer dollars ... his money. I look at that high number and wonder why nothing is being done to teach these women about birth control so they don't need to have an abortion again. When you watch or read the transcript of the documentary, there is a patient who was having her fifth abortion.

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      by hungrycoyote on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 10:00:58 AM PDT

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      •  I've had three abortions. (5+ / 0-)

        Three different sorts of contraceptive failure, over the course of seven years.  Condoms don't work well for him (he deflates immediately after ejaculation, and they fall off), and if I'm on a strong enough dose of hormones to prevent pregnancy, I have 24/7 morning sickness, or I bleed constantly. They took what worked for me (the sponge) off the market in the middle of that period. One was due to medication interaction; no one at the hospital treating me for my kidney infection bothered to ask what my husband and I were doing for birth control, and I was too sick to ask any questions myself.

        I finally got a tubal ligation after my third live birth, and the sheer relief of no longer having to worry and face three shitty choices was just amazing.

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        by Alexandra Lynch on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 10:16:02 AM PDT

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      •  Sometimes it has nothing to do with education (3+ / 0-)

        My mother educated me extensively on birth control and sex education.  Unfortunately, she also passed along whatever gene that makes us the tiny minority of woman for whom the pill does not work.

        I begged the doctors to tie my tubes twice, once before I ever got pregnant and once after my first abortion.  Because I had not birthed any children yet, they refused.

        Only certain types of birth control are effective on us, one bring the IUD and the other being the barrier methods and I spent a reasonable amount of my crazy sexual life before the threat of AIDs, so getting men to use the barrier method was almost impossible back then.

        The first time i got pregnant I was 17 and on my way to basic training.  My high school sweetheart was on his way to college with all his friends.  It would have changed both our lives indelibly and I could not do that to either of us.

        The second time I was 21 and my boyfriend was a drug dealer.  I didn't hesitate for a moment.

        I had my son when I was 24 and I had my second child at 38.

        So yeah, some of us sluts know all about birth control.

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        by Sychotic1 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 10:42:30 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you. Once again the bigger picture (0+ / 0-)

          emerges and I am better informed now. Birth control was never an issue for me because I suffered from polycystic ovary syndrome, and so I I mistakenly judged that multiple abortions were a result of lack of contraception. Thank you for setting me straight.

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          by hungrycoyote on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 11:08:24 AM PDT

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      •  Here's a better source of information: (1+ / 0-)
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        Guttmacher Institute fact sheet on abortion

        Note the increased incidence of unplanned pregnancy and induced abortion associated with poverty. Women who do not have access to reliable methods of birth control are at increased risk of unplanned pregnancy.

        It stands to reason that a woman who is at risk of one unplanned pregnancy is likely to experience subsequent unplanned pregnancies if the risk factors remain unchanged. No amount of education will abolish poverty, create access to reproductive health services, disappear abusive partners who engage in contraceptive sabotage, cure chronic conditions that contribute to sexual risk-taking, or alter quirky individual physiology that metabolizes synthetic hormones in unpredictable ways.

    •  OK so I now see what was meant (1+ / 0-)
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      50% of abortions are REPEAT abortions. Not second abortions. Second or later abortions.

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