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  •  Only out of the mouth of the right (0+ / 0-)

    do words such as black, liberal, and gay sound derogatory.

    Spoken from the left they are positive identifications.

    Even spoken from the left, conservative is simply a classification.

    95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

    by PRRedlin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:12:16 AM PDT

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    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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      I prefer progressive due to the framing of that word...and I call the "others" "anti-progressives"...much better frame for what's really going on.

      •  The difference between liberal and progressive to (0+ / 0-)

        me, is that liberal deals with social policy, where as progressive entails both the social and the fiscal side.

        I myself am a socio-liberal libertarian.  That denotes me as being liberal socially, but fiscally conservative (though in a responsible way, not in a republican way).

        As such, my vote this year is still teetering between Obama and Johnson (I live in PA, so if the polls still have a large lead, I will most likely vote Johnson, if it is close, Obama).

        95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

        by PRRedlin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:54:08 AM PDT

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        •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

          To me... Obama > Johnson > Romney.

          Obama is a pragmatist with a social progressive bent and a belief that government can be a partner in capitalism, so long as controls are in place to keep the wall between government and corporations from fully merging.  Any more years of anti-progressives and I think that wall will completely be eliminated.

          Johnson believes in a world that doesn't exist, a world where we can have NFL's without referees.  

          I think a strong central secular government, with division of power, is not only what the founders envisioned, it is actually what makes America uniquely successful.  And we need referees, regulations, and federal government to slap down the states when they deny people their rights as American citizens.  And not a return to the Confederacy, either..we are not just a collection of states...we have an economy that depends on interstate rules of operation.  Sure some slave owners were nice to their slaves, but they were still slave owners and for slavery.  Under Johnson, there would still be Jim Crow.

          Under the GOP, and GOP obstruction, we are a corpocracy and theocracy waiting to happen.  So they are a non-factor to me.  Johnson is a bit better, because you'd get a release of the drug laws, but you'd throw the baby out with the bath water.

          •  To a point I agree (0+ / 0-)

            However, I am mostly an issues voter, the two most important being marriage equality, and drug reform.

            I'm also a small business owner, and I do support Johnson.  Listening to his speeches, he falls into the line of zero regulation, unless you are impacted by it.  In other words, most regulation would remain (enviromental, public safety, etc).  His main stance is to allow states more leeway with regulations rather than federal invervention.  Most things would function as the DMV does, by state guidelines, rather than federal.  This I agree with as long as one state does not negatively affect the health and well being of another.  Rights of individuals such as Roe V. Wade would still be federal issues as they extend to constitutional rights (and Johnson is Pro-choice).

            One thing I do like about him is that he supports a flat tax.  Not the one the republicans support however.  His flat tax only begins at the poverty line (meaning if you live in poverty you pay zero taxes) but extends to financial products (paying taxes on stocks, etc.).  

            The republican flat tax on the other hand excludes financial products and unfairly burdens the middle class and the poor.

            Johnson to me is to the left of obama socially (and more responsibly) and to the right of the republicans fiscally (but intelligent enough to protect those who need protection and care).

            With that being said, I will not cast my vote for Johnson IF PA looks like it is in play, as I do not support republican agenda in any aspect of the economy.

            95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

            by PRRedlin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:45:40 AM PDT

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            •  So... (1+ / 0-)
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              So on the flat tax are you taxed on usage of health care? Purchasing a home? All services used?

              How do you verify transactions and prices?

              Flat tax sounds good.  Until you get into the messy details and realize that it is just a reshuffling of the same things.  And it won't be really a new thing.  It would be much easier and less dramatic to work within the system we have.

              But I do think tax breaks should be tied to certain things...if you are a business, you get tax breaks for year over year increases in job growth, and NONE for foreign operations, and you have increased taxes (with a true up to US labor prices) if you hire workers for less internationally for products delivered as new to the US.

              There are ways to fix the tax code without throwing the system out.

              •  OH I fully agree (0+ / 0-)

                that it would be a sytem that would need to be worked, any an exemptions would carry over for all classes.  Exemption for home purchasing, etc.

                My point is, if you exempt to a level of poverty, you protect those that need protecting.  If you extend the flat tax to financial products, (and sure, health care too) in essence taxing every purchase, tangible or otherwise, then you do have a fair tax that everyone pays, and is set to one's own consumption level.

                For instance.  I purchase food, clothing, fuel, cable, internet.  This is about the extent I purchase each month.  The remainder of my pay?  Straight into savings.  

                Under a flat tax, I would keep more money that I've earned, because I choose to save rather than spend.  It promotes individual responsibility.

                95% of all life forms that once existed on earth are now extinct. It is only a matter of time until the Republicans follow suit.

                by PRRedlin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:06:17 AM PDT

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