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  •  I suspect we'd need a Schengen Zone. (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, raines

    At least the Lake Erie ports corridor. You would definitely want to stop in Detroit AND Windsor, and probably in Buffalo and Ft. Erie (or the two Niagara Fallses).

    In some places, international train stations would work. Vancouver's Pacific Central Station and Montreal's Gare Centrale are set up so that if the US wanted to operate preclearance inspection stations, the space is waiting. Toronto's Union Station might be able to accommodate one. I don't think it would be like the Eurostar, where you have preclearance stations at both ends, and I suspect that intermediate stations in Canada would be difficult to cover that way.

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    by Judge Moonbox on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:00:56 PM PDT

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    •  Its possible to run different stopping patterns .. (1+ / 0-)
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      ... for different trains ... Buffalo - London - Port Huron - Detroit, for instance, would have plenty of time to complete processing of people debarking or embarking at London

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      by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:25:56 PM PDT

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    •  Amtrak actually uses Pacific Central (3+ / 0-)
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      The Amtrak Cascades service from Vancouver to points south in WA and OR does in fact do preclearance at Pacific Central Station. I believe the US border agents are stationed at YVR airport and commute to PCS for the twice-daily Amtrak departure. It's pretty much the same space within the station that is used by Canadian border agents for clearance upon arrival. The train does stop briefly at the border but if I remember correctly all they do is collect customs declaration forms there (passport control was already taken care of).

      Of course, this means once the train leaves PCS it must be kept sealed, and that precludes any further station stops between Vancouver and Blaine.

      •  Yes, and getting the second service ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... to Vancouver required negotiation with Canada regarding Canadian border control / customs agents for the second northbound service.

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        by BruceMcF on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:59:43 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you. The last time I was in Vancouver, (0+ / 0-)

        They were just starting to run trains to Seattle back in 1992. I had read that they didn't see enough traffic any time soon to justify using the Preclearance Inspection Station that sat unoccupied.

        And if Amtrak saw a market in Surrey (or wherever, they could build an international station there, like the Eurostar has in Ashford, England.

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        by Judge Moonbox on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:26:38 PM PDT

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    •  And bear in mind ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... in Europe, they did clearance on trains before they had a Schengen Zone.

      Run the locals to the border and do clearance at the border, and run the Expresses with enough time between stops on opposing sides of the border to clear passengers.

      Of course, it requires sufficient frequency for the border control / customs officers to get back to do it again. And it requires will on both sides of the border to see that the trains provide effective service and run on time.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:57:52 AM PDT

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