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  •  Really, though, is it any more batshit (6+ / 0-)

    crazy than believing we should try to live like the Israelites of 5,000 years ago? Especially considering that part of the world is still kind of a mess? Most of those who mistrust Romney's Mormonism are hardcore fundies who believe equally absurd things, which are accepted because they've been around for thousands of years.

    Romney's dad was a Mormon, and he wasn't a nut. Donnie and Marie Osmond may never have been hip, but they were never scary either. I don't think Mormonism is the problem...Mormons don't riot in the streets when someone insults their religion.

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24:18 AM PDT

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    •  Religion provides comfort (5+ / 0-)

      in a world torn apart by religion

      (is that Jon Stewart?)

      I don't think Rmoney is any more of a zealot than any average, comfortable person is a zealot of their religion. Comfortable people like being comfortable, and that usually doesn't include facing the hard questions about where you spend your Sunday mornings.

      I mistrust Rmoney's Mormonism not because his religion could be easily proven to have been started by a shroom-chomping pioneer who wanted to justify getting laid by someone other than his wife and the beliefs that go with it range from mildly-weird-but-its-all-good to bugnutz-cray-cray.

      I mistrust Rmoney's Mormonism because it's organized, it goes out of its way to put on the most inoffensive face to the general public, and it's loaded and has provisions built in for continuing to generate revenue. At least the Catholic church isn't afraid to put its leaders in dresses and funny hats--I'd rather see the magic undies on the outside (and no, I don't trust the Catholic church, either, but it's got a homeland in the Vatican).

      I mistrust Rmoney because if he is clergy, I expect him to have felt a calling, and any clergy that feels a calling should be suspicious of any calling to "serve" that says service is power.

      And I mistrust Rmoney because I think his religion is just another tool to be used to serve his real master, which is himself and his own money.

      How does the Republican Congress sit down with all the butthurt over taxing the wealthy?

      by athenap on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:10:55 PM PDT

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      •  To add... (5+ / 0-)

        It's not that he's a Mormon--I'd mistrust any candidate that is willing to put his religion above the Constitution in a public office.

        It's that his party platform is the one that requires such a religious litmus test and persistently beats the drum over which religions are acceptable in American politics. If the GOP didn't persist in making the case over and over again that the only acceptable faith is a default Protestantism, Rmoney's religion wouldn't even be an issue. But they make it an issue, so I'm more than happy to Biblically allow them to reap what they sow.

        How does the Republican Congress sit down with all the butthurt over taxing the wealthy?

        by athenap on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:16:28 PM PDT

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      •  I mistrust Romney because he's (2+ / 0-)
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        a greedy SOB, end of story. I don't need to waste time analyzing his religious beliefs and practices because his business dealings, his enormous, sprawling ugly houses, and his treatment of poor Seamus (the Irish Setter) tell me all I need to know about his character.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:21:20 PM PDT

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    •  Beliefs not the Problem (8+ / 0-)

      The Mormon beliefs are no weirder then any other religions. The problem I have with the religion is that it is has cult-like aspects. They keep very close tabs on all of their members and potential members and it takes a great deal of effort to get them to leave you alone if you wish to sever relations. It isn't like a typical Church where if you don't show up one week people might worry you are ill or just shrug their shoulders if you stop coming entirely. The Mormons will come to your house and want to know why you weren't there and when you are coming back. On the flip side they are the only religion in the world that I am aware of that does not welcome strangers into their place of worship. You have to be a Mormon in good standing to enter their church and that includes attending things like Wedding ceremonies. Interesting fact: Ann Romney converted and her family which isn't Mormon could not witness her marriage to Mitt.

      •  No Ann Rmoney's family at her wedding (1+ / 0-)
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        because they were not mormon and therefore couldn't enter the holy house???  

        Now.... I don't know what the relationship between queen anne and her family were before williardo..... maybe this is really what she wanted, and in a way, we can't really judge her on that alone.  

        But I didn't know that only mormons can enter their holy house.  And this is just another dark mark on this cult..... the secrecy is what is most feared about it......

        •  That's my understanding (2+ / 0-)
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          A friend's daughter got married in the temple, and the non-Mormons were not allowed to enter.

          That included my friend, who funded the whole thing.

          R. sat on the front steps with a six pack of beer and crushed beer cans as she drank them.  Part of the fifth one, she poured out on the steps.

        •  Not a Judgement on Ann (2+ / 0-)
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          This is just how the Mormon's roll. Years ago San Diego allowed the Mormon Church to build a huge temple on prime land and it was very controversial precisely because not only was it a huge new addition to the landscape but a place that non-Mormons could not enter. To try and blunt the anger and say "thank you" to the city for approving it they gave tours of it for a brief time before they consecrated it and closed it off forever to outsiders.

          It is breathtaking. Every time I passed it on the highway I was pissed off about it being closed to outsiders all over again.

          http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/...

          •  Architecturally.....this is magnificent..... (0+ / 0-)

            .... and also a huge shame that such societal wealth here is being used to divide rather than unite......

          •  Try driving on the Outer Loop (0+ / 0-)

            of the Capital Beltway west of Georgia Avenue just outside of DC...

            It's not uncommon for people to quip... "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto".

            It's about time I changed my signature.

            by Khun David on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:47:58 PM PDT

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