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  •  I saw the diaries going up at the time (7+ / 0-)

    and the pattern seemed "spam-like".  So I understand that rationale for HRing at least one of the diaries.  The fact that you waited for diary 9 to impose an HR adds credibility to your description of what happened at the time.

    The issue I have seen, over and over again, when it comes to HR and general skepticism at DK, is the need many seem to have to personalize the action of HRing or skeptically commenting.

    I am a TU, and, for whatever reason, I have 5 bars.  (Not quite certain I deserve that many, but who am I to argue with the algorhithm.)  I tend to miss most of the pie fights, which tend to occur over the weekend or at night, when I don't have access to a computer.  But I have been know to give out an HR or 2.

    When I do it, I add one of two things:
    1.  A reasonably dispassionate explanation of why (or)
    2.  A tip to a comment which has already explained someone else's HR is a reasonably dispassionate way.

    That's my responsibility as a TU.  When I see something which I consider harmful to DK, within the parameters described by admin, I give an HR rating.  Not as a crusader, but at a responsible member of DK.  I don't like doing it, and would prefer not to do it at all.  I am a big believer in free speech, and generally don't go searching for "trouble".

    So, when I saw the diaries in question, which were posted in a pattern which suggested spam, I did nothing.  I understand why you did, and respect that.  I thought about it myself.  

    The more important issue for me is this tendency to attack others while performing the functions that a TU should perform, that of HRing and engaging in responsible debate.  I haven't seen that tendency in youj.  I have seen it in others here, who need to learn how to be more mature.

    Whomever posted the quote in your title (not interested in knowing; not the point) needs to take a look in the mirror.  That type of comment is unworthy of us.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:50:45 AM PDT

    •  One of the puzzling things I've seen (1+ / 0-)
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      twigg

      is noticing that people will go into the hiddens and pile on HRs on a comment that not only is hidden but has been for several minutes. (Yes, I was bored that day.)

      •  That does happen, yes (2+ / 0-)
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        bluedust, Unit Zero

        It is a double-edged sword.

        On the one hand, a comment is hidden with 2 HRs and no uprates. Unless people take the time to look at the hiddens then the trolls who need to be banned would stick around for a lot longer.

        Also, many TUs have hidden comments always visible (I do), so they don't need to go into the hiddens to see them, they remain in the comment thread of the main Diary.

        Egregious comments nearly always attract more donuts than are necessary to simply hide them. That is how the autoban system works.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:08:59 AM PDT

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    •  There are two issues (8+ / 0-)

      The on-going pie fights, and HR stupid stuff, is not the same thing as what happened in this instance.

      Someone yesterday made a comment that slinkerwink was a good example of why a person should remain banned, once a ban had occurred.

      I've had my differences with slink .... but that comment was truly beyond the pale.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:03:07 AM PDT

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      •  I saw that comment too, and it was ugly. (5+ / 0-)
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        twigg, Smoh, klompendanser, JVolvo, Unit Zero

        I noticed several others using the uproar last night as an opportunity to act on their personal grievances, which may help to explain the comment you quoted in your title. It was not a proud moment for the site.

        •  What was worse (2+ / 0-)
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          Lost and Found, Unit Zero

          is that it was a comment that deserved to be hidden, yet I couldn't HR it because all it amounted to was that I disagreed.

          Yes, it was ugly.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:24:23 AM PDT

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          •  I think that the comment could be HRd (2+ / 0-)
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            twigg, Unit Zero

            as inflammatory.  That's a judgement call.  It strikes me not as a debate point, but rather an ad hominem attack unworthy of general consideration.  But I respect your restraint.

            Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

            by aravir on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:45:01 AM PDT

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