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  •  Yeah, but Obama is not Al Gore (11+ / 0-)

    Gore was riding Clinton's coat tails and a good economy, but he was as stiff and uncharasmatic as Romney.  I didn't want to have a beer with Gore either and didn't really feel that he connected with average Americans.

    Then we followed Gore with Kerry, who also came across as stiff, aloof and uncaring.  Obama is not Gore and not Kerry.  I never met anyone who said they genuinely liked either Gore or Kerry.

    It's the opposite now.  Democrats genuinely like and love Obama.  No Republican who isn't a billionaire can say they like Romney.

    •  Yeah, but Scalia is Scalia, Rove is Rove (23+ / 0-)

      And Misinformed Apathetic Voter is still Misinformed Apathetic Voter.

      Be afraid.  And confident, and occasionally perhaps even gleefully optimistic for fleeting moments, but be afraid til the last chad, baby.

    •  Democrats "liked and loved Obama" in 2010, too. (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama is not exactly a master politician, having engineered the worst midterm defeat since 1922. Admittedly, Gore was awful. Kerry's fault was listening to people like Bob Shrum telling him not to respond to the Swift Boat attacks. Obama's worst fault is that he likes policy more than politics, and doesn't like attacking his opponents.

      Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

      by LongTom on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 03:20:28 PM PDT

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      •  Well, (3+ / 0-)
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        too many Americans don't understand how important the mid terms are, particularly Democrats, who have a history of under performing in the mid terms.  

        IMO, too many Democrats bought into their knee jerk pain over the economy---brought to us courtesy of GWB--- in 2010, and became apathetic.

        But 2010 was not a presidential election, and does not say what a presidential election says.

        I find your analysis that Obama doesn't "like to attack his opponents," to be quite off the mark, if you've been listening to his campaign speeches.  And that was true of the campaigning he did in 2010.  It is not all about Obama that Democrats sat on their asses in the mid terms. This is the "president is our daddy" approach to thinking. I don't buy it.

        The Democrats have to learn to treat the mid terms as important as the presidential election.  Because as 2010 should certainly have taught us, they are.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:07:04 PM PDT

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      •  He's attacking NOW. (3+ / 0-)
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        The Quick Comeback Team is full steam.

        rMoney: Just another jerk, lookin' for work.

        by OleHippieChick on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:11:19 PM PDT

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      •  How did Obama engineer the worst midterm (2+ / 0-)
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        defeat since 1922? The White House advised House Democrats to bring up extending the Bush tax cuts only for the middle class before the election, but they were too scared.

        That was political malpractice, but it wasn't the White House's.

        •  Two major ways: (1) He acted like the GOP mattered (4+ / 0-)

          in 2009. He should have dismissed them as incompetent anachronisms, as stumbling blocks to the recovery that he was elected to achieve. Instead, --well, we all know about his pointless "bipartisan" outreaches. (2) He spent a year and all of his political capital on an unpopular health care bill that only convinced people that he wasn't concerned enough about unemployment to make jobs his top priority.

          Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

          by LongTom on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:27:58 PM PDT

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      •  Obama wasn't running in '10 (0+ / 0-)

        I agree that everyone who voted for Obama should have voted in '10 against the teabaggers.  But Obama wasn't running, so no one was voting for or against him.

        They just didn't vote at all.

        •  Sure he was! The midterm election is a referendum (0+ / 0-)

          on the presidency, most especially the midterm after a new president is elected. If Obama wasn't running in 2010, that's HIS fault. For one thing, he had to know (didn't he?) that the 2010 election was the key to his success or failure as a president. As it is, the best we can hope for now is 4 more years like the last two. He won't get done a tenth of what's needed. 2010 was a completely avoidable disaster.

          Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

          by LongTom on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 11:32:39 AM PDT

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    •  I genuinely liked them both. (sorry) (6+ / 0-)

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 03:40:27 PM PDT

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    •  I actually hated Al Gore... (3+ / 0-)

      I was never impressed with Bill Clinton's economy because I could see the smoke and mirrors it was built on.  I understood that by manipulating the consumer pricing Index, the GDP was falsely inflated and the deregulation was creating bubbles that falsely inflated the stock market and I seen the dismantling of the Glass-Segal protections as worrisome.  Yes i liked the low unemployment but even then, high paying factory jobs were being replaced with low paying service jobs and no one in the media appeared to be noticing.  I disagreed with NAFTA and I knew that the effects were delayed based on spreading out the implementation over six years.  I also hated how Al Gore berated and belittled Dan Quayle over abortion during their vice-presidential debates. It wasn't what he was saying but the way he was saying it.  He was being an ass.  There were legitimate reasons to dislike the candidate.

      There were also illegitimate reasons voters didn't support him due to the recent Monica Lewinski mess, value voters distanced themselves from the damaged Democratic brand and Bill Clinton was barely visible during Gore's campaign.  Al Gore was smug and easy to put false claims forward about claiming to "Invent the Internet".

      Obama is much more likeable than Gore but he has legitimate issues as well.  When the Bush regime crashed the world economy, maybe he should have considered bringing in some new economists for the Treasury and the Fed instead of using the same Bush cronies.  Maybe because George Bush was a miserable failure at foreign policy and national defense, maybe he should have brought in some new advisors instead of keeping the Secretary of Defense (Gates) and the Joint Chief of Staff (Mullen).  Maybe if the Bush tax cuts caused so much of this country's financial issues, he should not have so easily agreed to extend them.  Maybe if he wanted to the Republicans to negotiate on health care in good faith, he shouldn't have taken universal health care off the table before the negotiations even began instead of accepting a Heritage Foundation plan that a Republican governor had implemented.  Maybe if Obama wanted to restore our country's freedoms, he would have at least tried to repeal the Military Commisions Act and the Patriot Act.  Maybe if Obama would have wanted to move forward, he would have started by criminally prosecuting all of the Wall Street criminals to send a message that this type of criminal behavior will not be tolerated in the United States and justice will be applied evenly to everyone dispite their net worth.

      The problem with all of Obama's short comings is that Mitt Romney has double and quadruple downed on every one of them and we are left with the choice of a flawed candidate and a psychopathic, narcissist.  Welcome to the American Free Election Illusion where either way you get screwed, at least you get your choice of two pricks to do it to you.

      I feel as if I am so worried about Mitt Romney's absolute crazy stated agenda that I have to be happy about an Obama agenda that is in effect not much better than George Bush's.  The only difference is that Obama at least claims to want the same things I want but in practice, I feel like I am being duped... again.  Am I the only one who feels this way?  

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 03:43:03 PM PDT

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    •  I for one will stand up for Al Gore (17+ / 0-)

      I totally disagree with:

      Gore was ....  was as stiff and uncharasmatic as Romney
      Al Gore was and is a very good human being, a great leader, and a pretty good politician.

      Al Gore does not deserve the bashing he has gotten. And there is no excuse for more of it here.

      Al Gore understated his role in legislating and funding the transition from ARPAnet to Internet.

      Al Gore has done as much to advance understanding of, and action on, climate crisis issues as any other politician in the US and maybe even the world.

      I like and respect and honor Al Gore.

      I have no more tolerance for even 1 more iota of Gore bashing.

      Now, as for Romney bashing ;) ...... please, pass the popcorn, and lets continue!

      #3: ensure network neutrality; #2: ensure electoral integrity; #1: ensure ecosystemic sustainability.

      by ivote2004 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:28:14 PM PDT

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    •  i didn't really like Gore until Inconvenient Truth (1+ / 0-)
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      now he's PDC (pretty damned cool)

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      CALL EVERYONE YOU KNOW in OH, PA, FL, NC and TX. Make sure they have the ID they need to vote, and make sure YOU are registered and ready to vote!

      by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:28:17 PM PDT

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