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  •  I couldn't disagree more with you about (1+ / 0-)
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    Rachel possibly becoming her generation's Murrow.

    I agree that she is wonky.  I used to be one of Rachel's biggest fans going all the way back to AirAmerica.  

    I think she's too condescending when "explaining" an issue, as if her audience were idiots and we all need her to s-l-o-w-l-y explain things to us before she actually gets to her point.

    And I lost all respect for her because of the way she handled Keith's treatment at MSNBC.

    And she has become "one of them," one of them who couches what they say in order to gain access to the top Democratic pols.  Remember when she gave "her" speech of what Obama should have said and she got lambasted for it?  Well... she doesn't do that anymore.


    •  I agree with your points (11+ / 0-)

      Rachel has toned down her earlier willingness to criticize Democrats, including the president.  But I think that's the role MSNBC is encouraging her to play during the election season, and she's willing to go along to the extent she has.  She may in the end be captured by the Beltway, but I have hope she'll mature into a more mature and independent voice of the news.  She's early in her career, and will have quite a few metamorphoses to come.  I've been listening to her since her early Air America days, and have enjoyed her maturation for the most part.

      I can't think of anyone who combines her intelligence with her ability to explain complex issues in deep context.  She's too smart and too principled to fall into being a partisan shill, and I suspect that after the election she may be in a position to offer more objective critiques of Washington politics, as she used to before the campaign got rolling.  It's hard to avoid the endless outrages of Republican politics, but she's an issues advocate and I think she'll be eager to get back to that.

      For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 06:26:59 PM PDT

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      •  Jennifer Granholm (3+ / 0-)
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        I can't think of anyone who combines her intelligence with her ability to explain complex issues in deep context.
        Granholm's show on Current TV is the only must-watch for me.  Just as incisive as Rachel (actually more so, with a lot of real world ability to articulate the issues to various audiences).  Very entertaining as well, but always focused like a laser.  Her background as Attorney General and then Gov of a major state helps her wade through the weeds.  And because Current is a minor-league channel, Granholm books a range of guests and commentators who are shut out of major media.  Granholm also often begins with an impassioned commentary that reminds me of Keith's Special Comments.

        It's a great show.  

    •  I don't find her condescending. (18+ / 0-)

      I think it's always important for people to seek clarity, and Rachel is very careful to avoid the winky-noddy language found in so many other places.  Even given her inclination to say "let's back up here and look at the context," Rachel takes less time than any other announcer to drive a point home.  Not quite Aaron Sorkin, but Aaron Sorkin doesn't perform in real time.  

    •  I don't mind the kid-talk (6+ / 0-)

      ...because she's dealing with the American Viewing Public, very few of whom are anywhere near informed enough to understand where she's going. Think of all the other crap they get bombarded with.

      But I do agree she's not Murrow. No one is. Murrow is dead, there will be no "new Murrow", and until the news agencies are required by law to report nonprofit in the public interest with no oversight by "parent" companies, that will not change.

      The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

      by lotusmaglite on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 06:52:47 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, she's become another water carrier. (1+ / 0-)
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      I enjoyed her commentary much more when she wasn't getting invited to the White House.

      The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

      by Orange County Liberal on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 07:47:52 PM PDT

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      •  I do worry about her apparent hero-worship (1+ / 0-)
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        of Andrea Mitchell...

        "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

        by chimene on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:51:24 AM PDT

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        •  Me too! I wonder if it's due to Andrea's being (0+ / 0-)

          a woman of NBC news who has had a long careen, sustainability and seniority. And maybe Andrea has been good to her? Championed her? But certainly Andrea has many faults and is too cozy with Republicans who lie and she only occasionally calls them on it.

          "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

          by Gorette on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:45:16 AM PDT

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