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  •  Iran's civil war will make Syria's look tame. (9+ / 0-)

    I think that's as close to inevitable as anything in the world.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:58:07 AM PDT

    •  so you hold out no hope for an orderly (1+ / 0-)
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      progression?  After all, the USSR managed to survive the transition with a minimum of violence and even China's old guard even loosened the reins a bit.

      The ruling mullahs are in their 70s and 80s.  They will have to arrange some sort of transition which may allow for an orderly evolution.

      Besides with the US and West naming them as Public Enemy #1, this has solidified the mullahs' control over the country.  If we do hope for an evolution in the Iranian government, we need to step back

      •  Nope, because Soviet socialism... (7+ / 0-)

        ...was a secular ideology whose true believers were constrained by reality.  Religious ideologies don't have that constraint.

        Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

        by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:33:16 AM PDT

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        •  Which is why our Cuban policy has been so (0+ / 0-)

          reality based I guess.  I think an examination of Iranian actions over the last 40 years reveals a pretty consistently pragmatic policy, if not even cynical, for a bunch of theocrats.

          •  I think maybe you mean Iranian (0+ / 0-)

            actions over the last 20 years? They had a pretty serious revolution 32 years ago.  

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:22:44 PM PDT

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            •  an unnecessary revolution since, if we had (0+ / 0-)

              withdrawn support from the Shah the revolution might have been less radical.  They also had a very serious war with Iraq and may have defeated Saddam but for US intervention with weapons and intelligence.

              Not to trust my math skills, let's just say since the Shah fell, their policy has been fairly pragmatic

          •  I think this fails to distinguish... (0+ / 0-)

            ...between tactical pragmatism aimed at preserving the fundamentals (so to speak) of theocracy, and the higher-level pragmatism of accepting that theocracy might give way to something else.  Soviet leaders could admit, after a fashion, the possibility of ditching socialism but Iran's leaders absolutely don't and can't admit the possibility of ditching theocracy.  That's the essence of theocracy: if you admit that it's not eternal, you can't make it to the end of the day.

            Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

            by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:10:38 PM PDT

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