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  •  BREAKING! Nearly 50% are below average! (1+ / 0-)
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     Also do you understand basic statistics?  The average does not reflect what everbody makes. In fact, many teachers make much less.  Two better numbers to look at are the actual salary schedule of the public schools and the average age of teachers.
    What makes you think that Balto doesn't understand "average", and that you do?   You are insulting Balto, but you are not making your case.
    Their average salary should be compared to that of other Chicago workers with advanced degrees.  Most teachers have Master's Degrees.  
    The reason there are a lot of Masters degrees is that the union pay scale rewards them with more money.   That does not mean they are needed, or that holding a masters degree means very much.  A masters degree in one discipline is not comparable to others.   Education degrees are much easier to get than most other fields.   There is a whole industry devoted to giving teachers graduate level credits for the least possible work.   Education departments typically have much lower requirements to entry.  

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    by bobtmn on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 08:10:50 AM PDT

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      The average pay is a right wing talking point that confuses people and distracts from the deeper issue which is teachers are underpaid.  Exactly where does your stat come from that states 50% of teachers are below average?  Bet I won't hear from you on that one.  In reality there is now quantifiable way yet too evaluate teacher effectiveness.  It doesnt exist and there is no magic formula so any measurement is faulty.  

      A masters degree is a masters degree regardless of field. There are alot of bad law school programs out there and this is true of all fields.  If you want to discuss the quality of a degree that is an entirely different conversation.  By making the point that less education is better than more education, you betray your own ignorance.  And, as usual a retort of your kind yet again avoids the central issue:  POVERTY. I guess you didnt take sociology either.  Makes me question the value of your education.  

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      by jbfunk on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 12:27:27 PM PDT

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        A masters degree is a masters degree regardless of field.
        No it isn't. People with a masters degree in electrical or mechanical engineering laugh at "education" degrees. There is just no comparison at all.

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        by Sparhawk on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 01:07:51 PM PDT

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          Same electrical and mechanical engineers capable of handling a classroom? Im guessing not many.  Have you ever managed a classroom?  Also they all needed teachers going all the way back to kindergarten to put them on the path to those degrees.  

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          by jbfunk on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 06:59:00 AM PDT

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    •  WTH!! Apparently you do not have an education (0+ / 0-)

      degree and everything you just wrote is nonsense!

      Education degrees take over 5 years, just for a BA in education because you must also complete the 4 years of academia plus field work and hundreds of hours in the classroom before you get that diploma.   Most teachers have an education degree as well as a degree in a certain content area, especially if they teach above 5th grade.  Even teachers who specialize in elementary education, often have separate degrees in early childhood education, child psychology, or social work.

      After you have your degree(s) you must still pass up to 5 exams that cover ALL fields of study from mathematics to history to literature and the methods to teach EACH subject.  After those tests, you are required to "certify" in  each grade level or subject you wish to teach, thus more testing.

      After you get a job, you are required by law to continue you education every other year you teach, hence the amount of teachers with advanced degrees....you will find plenty of PhDs teaching your 3rd graders.

      Entry into my education department require multiple background checks, fingerprinting, a 3.5 or above (on a 4.0 scale) in any lower level degrees and honors destination.  I also had to complete multiple interviews, take a 7 hour test and have 5 written references from principals, educators with advanced degrees and/or professors prior to entry.

      Give me a break and please go tell it to someone else because you are obviously ignorant.

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