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  •  Read the diary. (1+ / 0-)
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    It outlines every campaign Mitt has ever run. He has sucked in all of them. He has been always been a shitty candidate and a lousy campaigner.

    What do you think the diary is about? Just curious.

    •  Stop hiding behind the diarist. (0+ / 0-)

      You made a stupid point.

      If you read the diary again, you'll notice that Romney in fact won some of those campaigns because he lacked effective opposition.

      Obama isn't lucky.  Case closed.

      Have you googled Romney today?

      by fou on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 01:00:26 PM PDT

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      •  I "made a stupid point?" (1+ / 0-)
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        Because you're a person who can't hold two, independent thoughts in your mind at the same time? Seriously?

        The title of the diary (in case you missed it) is:

        "So Mitt Romney is a terrible candidate. Mitt Romney has ALWAYS been a terrible candidate."
        And my point was two-fold:

        1. I agree with the diarist. Mitt Romney is, and always has been, a terrible candidate.

        2. Obama has been lucky in general elections in that he has had very weak GOP opponents.

        For some reason, this must strike you as a put-down of Obama and his campaign skills. As I have tried to explain to you a few times here, the suggestion that Romney sucks as a candidate (and that Alan Keyes and McCain suffered from the same affliction) is no way related to Obama's qualities as a candidate.

        But I now realize that you are unable to grasp that, so I will just leave it at that.

        Have a nice day!

        •  Yep, you did. (0+ / 0-)

          You continue to make the same stupid point because you misunderstand politics, and because you can't grasp the simple point I was trying to make: that it's meaningless to assess a candidate's weaknesses independently of his opponent's strengths.

          You keep saying that Romney's flaws have nothing to do with the strength of his opponent because you're not an astute political observer.

          For some reason, this must strike you as a put-down of Obama and his campaign skills.
          Don't be ridiculous.  It doesn't make sense that I would think you're putting down something that you don't understand.  I think you're completely unable to comprehend Obama's effectiveness because you seem to think that Romney is "naturally" weak, and that your perception of his weakness has nothing to do with Obama's effectiveness in defining him.

          With the possible exception of Alan Keyes, Obama has never faced an unviable opponent.  He's always faced a viable, well-funded, well-established opposition.  Obama is no more or less lucky than any other politician, but he's able to maximize his strengths and effectively define his opponents.  That's why he wins.

          Have you googled Romney today?

          by fou on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 08:28:30 PM PDT

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      •  Romney won only because (3+ / 0-)
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        The MA democratic party had imploded so badly, there was no credible candidate facing Mitt, and no functional party apparatus to support a decent opponent if there had been one. (Having been a politically active MA teen at the time, I can tell you, things were f*ed up).

        Mitt was and remains a crappy candidate - he just happened to be able to exploit a major structural weakness to weasel his way into office. He was not a popular governor, and the entire state heaved a sigh of relief when he toddled off to Utah to play Mr. Olympics Guy.

        Romney can be a shitty candidate without reflecting in any way on the Obama campaign. Obama can be brilliant, and still face crappy opposition. His brilliance is what makes it possible for him to face down the untold billions of $$ being arrayed against him by the masters hoping to have Mitt as their puppet (after having also failed to get McCain as their puppet). Taking on the economic hit men is where Obama's strength is, and where it needs to be. Mitt is only the window dressing on the real opposition.

      •  Hiding behind the point of the diary? (0+ / 0-)

        The comment expanded on the point of the diary, that Romney is not a strong candidate, historically. Neither was Alan Keyes or John McCain. Hillary was a quality opponent, but there was a strong anti-Hillary vein to be tapped in 08. Now Obama deserves some credit for his success and I think he may have bested stronger opposition, but he hasn't had to.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Sat Sep 22, 2012 at 01:54:04 PM PDT

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