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  •  what do you do if you are not 100% sure (1+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen

    where, ie which state and county, you will vote? Can you register at two locations to be on the safe side and then just vote at the one location you will end up being?

    •  I don't think that sounds kosher. (5+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, OLinda, nellgwen, bythesea, grover

      I'm no expert, but couldn't you manage an advance vote or do a provisional instead?
      Two registations to be "safe" sounds unsafe to me.
      I can almost hear O'Keefe knocking on your door.

    •  No, you can't do that. (5+ / 0-)

       I don't know why more people don't do mail in ballots.
        That would solve a lot of shenanigans at a poll site like equipment not working.
        I vote every election but I'm not romantic about it like some people are. I do early or mail in.
        I think our elections should be on Sunday. I believe I read in a diary here that France had 85% turn out. If that's true, I think it's because the elections are on Sunday.

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      by nellgwen on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:46:30 PM PDT

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      •  Washington and Oregon (3+ / 0-)
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        are all vote by mail. Saves a lot of headaches.

        You and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children's children what it was once like in America when 25% of the population was batshit insane.

        by Omir the Storyteller on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:31:01 PM PDT

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        •  As long as you don't forward your mail. (3+ / 0-)
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          WA voting materials are not forwarded whether you move down the street or across the state.

          You HAVE to re-register.

          And if you spend part time out of state (if you're a snowbird for example) and send your mail to that out of state address, you're going to have a really hard time.

          In the old days, all you had to do was vote in person on election date at the school, fire station, church, etc down the street. No problem.

          So vote by mail is a lot better overall, but it's made things complicated for some voters.

          © grover


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          by grover on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:52:27 PM PDT

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      •  If mail- in is not the major system, (2+ / 0-)
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        then so-called absentee ballots do not get counted unless the final tally is close and the number of absentee ballots is greater than the difference. Some of the military ballots in Florida weren't available to be counted and the Gore failure to demand a total recount, as well as a count of all absentee ballots, made the charge that they were asking for a discriminatory remedy from the courts valid. Gore messed up. But then, he'd already messed up by choosing Lieberman.
        If we have to have leaders, then it's best they be stupid. Gore was an asset as VP.  On the other hand, in retrospect, there were a lot of stupid compromises made during Clinton/Gore that set the stage for disaster. Clinton learns. I'm not sure Gore does.

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        by hannah on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:26:43 AM PDT

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    •  This is a good place to start: (0+ / 0-)

      Link.

      Hopefully you're joking about the fraudulent registration. Some states will inform you of your voting place when you register. If yours does not, you need to figure out where that is, using tools like the one above.

      •  So far I haven't done anything fraudulent, OK? (0+ / 0-)

        Here the background why I asked that question:

        Poorer people (like my son) have an interest to become in-state tuition paying residents. One of the ways to prove you are resident is to prove you are registered to vote in tha state you want to attend college.

        Though my son is living, paying taxes, having rental contracts in the state of HI for over five years, he still is not recognized as a resisdent. So he registered to vote in HI and plans to vote there.

        But there are circumstances that might force him to leave HI and return back to the state he was resident before and was registered to vote before. He got a voter registration card in the mail from that foirmer state he was registerd to vote in 2008. If those circumstances should occur, he still wants to vote in the state of his former residency and give up to obtain residency status in HI.

        So, I asked, if he should register in both states to at least be sure he could vote in whatever state he would be in on November and be recognized in the college of that state as resident.

        Being registered to vote doesn't mean you actually vote, right? So, even if he would have been registered to vote, he wouldn't cast two votes, and I don't see why the mere registration process in two states is considered already a fraud. BTW he hasn't done that yet. We were thinking about how to do it, if he wouldn't be in HI on November.

        So, we will then consider to either vote early or vote by mail. But if he had to leave HI (for financial reasons not finding a job to support himself living on the island he wants to go to school) and return "home", then he still wants to be considered a resident in his former home address, because he doesn't make enough money to pay for out-of-state tuition there either.

        May be the colleges shouldn't use the voter registration as a proof of residency, especially because the colleges and states have all different rules. You know it's not my fault that the states need to make money out of their out-of-state students and milk those options to the last drop.

        I am pretty upset  that you think I have done something fraudulent.

        In the case of HI, what is when you registered to vote on one island, but have moved shortly thereafter to another island by November.  You think you still get notified were you go to vote? How would "they" be informed where his new address is.

        You know, quite frankly, if it were not for the sake of my son, I wouldn't go through the whole mess of your voting registration process. It's loaded with problems, inaccuracies and injustice and is ridiculously inefficient.

        So there you have it. Consider the fact that you have lost one potential voter for the future, if you can't come up with a better system. Why should I take this crap?

        •  You shouldn't take it. It's pure bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

          The US should obviously have a national registration system instead of a completely separate system for every single county. We need a single address and website where voters can work out this kind of mess. Registration should be mailed to everyone with a social security card when they turn 18. Residency shouldn't matter so much, either, because we shouldn't have an electoral college, we need to simply count the popular vote.

          But we live in a country where the wealthy control the system. They don't want voting day to be a holiday. They don't want registration to be easy. They want voting to be the kind of hassle only they can afford to wade through. They want elections to be focused on a small group of states sparsely populated enough that they can cheaply be bought and manipulated. They don't want to have to compete across the entirety of the country.

          So your son is left to deal with this comedy we call our electoral system. Hawaii's various county registrars may make no effort to coordinate their voter roles - though I found at least one article noting an investigation into 50-60 double registrations from the 2010 election. I'd suggest absentee voting, though that requires either being at the address where a ballot would be mailed or being available to vote on that particular island sometime after Oct 23 when Hawaii starts its absentee early voting.

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