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  •  They'll refer you (15+ / 0-)

    To a specialist it costs $300 just to walk into the office of, that you won't be able to afford to see in time to save your life. Unless you're really lucky and see a social worker who will have about 50 pages for you to fill out but possibly some information on charities you can call.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:06:41 AM PDT

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    •  Part of the problem is that (18+ / 0-)

      If you have decent insurance you don't really get a sense of how much is charged.  You know (and may gripe) about your co-pay or deductibles and you certainly might gripe about your premiums but not the charges that are discounted or the portion paid by the insurer.

      We've developed (evolved) a system where the charges aren't any where near what is accepted for payment (if you are with the right group).

      "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

      by newfie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:25:48 AM PDT

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      •  This is true (25+ / 0-)

        I have routine lab work done. Urinalysis for kidney issues mainly. I pay the 20 dollars bill and move on. one month I opened the bill to find I owed well over 700.00. They forgot to send that bill to insurance. An outrageous amount of money to check for protein. You and I know insurance probably only pays a tiny portion of that. It's the poor uninsured who can least afford it that get billed the whole amount.

        •  and the answer to every question in this thread... (11+ / 0-)

          .... is the Public Option.

          THAT is one of the main reasons we want not only Obama back in the White House, but a total clean-sweep of Congress.

          Because then we can make a large amount of noise to the effect that we fully expect them to pass the Public Option, and if they don't at least get started on it by June 2013, they are going to see us in large numbers making even more noise right outside their offices.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:32:06 AM PDT

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          •  Well that is one answer. (4+ / 0-)

            And I think an appropriate step towards a National Health system that we need.

            "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

            by newfie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:42:33 AM PDT

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            •  sure, demand full-on socialized medicine... (4+ / 0-)

              .... and accept single-payer as the compromise, and the public option as the fallback beyond the compromise.

              It would probably be worthwhile to take that strategy in the email & phone call deluge in January, and the protests in June.

              If you need X, demand X + Y + Z and be "willing" to compromise to X + Y.   And if needed, let the adversary have their "victory" by only letting you have X.  

              Whatever it takes.    

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:20:55 AM PDT

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          •  Actually, here in Colorado, my state Senator (4+ / 0-)
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            Aguilar got a bill passed and signed by the governor that ensures that the charges for an uninsured person who is seen at a hospital (ER or otherwise) will not be higher than the insurance negotiated rates.  So the hospital association, who agreed to this bill (so nice of them, ahem) won't be sticking it to the uninsured just because they don't have the insurance company to back them up.  

            One reason she probably got it passed is because it makes the hospitals look nice and they probably are tired of medical bankruptcies preventing them from collecting anything at all.  Now, at least, they have a more limited cost to try and recover, which might be more do-able.

          •  Nationally Not Possible (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm under no delusions that creating a public option nationally is even remotely possible in one fell swoop.  I wish it really were not so, that's why one of THE most important part of the ACA is the possibility that it facilitates implementation of public plans on a state by state basis.  This detail cannot be allowed to be eliminated.  VT here I come!  I'll commute to a shared room in a trailer park or war zone in MA weekly to my job if required, but every dime possible in fees and state taxes is going to go to towards the dream.

            And once the first states go, the rest will follow like dominoes.

        •  Right (4+ / 0-)

          and set aside that the billed amount has very little to do with actual cost of the service.

          "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

          by newfie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:37:29 AM PDT

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      •  We had experience this summer that informed us. (2+ / 0-)
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        The presciption was a standard procedure for an upset stomach  --- nothing critical, but patient was very uncomfortable.  Our Vet didn't have the meds in his pharmacy, but told us any pharmacy could fill it.  You would think the pharmacist would have figured this wasn't a human patient by the name on the Prescription pad---Puff, the Magic Dragon, Junior, but he didn't.  The Vet told us earlier that if he had stock of this med it would cost about $45, but the Pharmacy told us the cost was $175 which the School Insurance would pay except we weren't using school insurance for payment.  We didn't think we could since it wasn't for a human in our family. We decided Puff would just have to suffer through a few hours of discomfort, but on the way home we stopped at the grocery. While in the store we checked their pharmacy.  We got the preseciption filled for $35, but we had to sign that we were the legal guardians for Puff, the Magic Dragon, Junior.  Look at how much the first pharmacy was pocketing in profit! What did the insurance company know?

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