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View Diary: How Many Of Those are Veterans? Gun Policy, Suicide, and Our National Conversation (185 comments)

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  •  All sincere efforts to diminish (7+ / 0-)

    the suicide rate in this country should be welcome. But taking away the guns of people who are neither suicidal nor criminally inclined would not accomplish that. Surely you can see that, as it is blatantly obvious.

    You just don't like the idea that people in this country have a right to own guns, so are using the number of people who commit suicide by gun to try and justify your belief that people in this country should not have a right to own guns.

    You have conflated the tool that some people use to commit suicide with the larger issue of suicide itself. That is a fallacious argument and I think you know it.

    •  The scientific evidence says otherwise (0+ / 0-)

      The scientific evidence suggests that removing guns will indeed reduce the occurrence of suicide.

      Over the past decade, the number of guns in America has been positiviely correlated with the number of fatal gun injuries (some of which are suicides).  This correlation means that if the number of guns were to be reduced, there would be a concomittant reduction in fatal gunshot injuries (including suicides).

      Moreover, the available clinical studies show that providing a safe environment (i.e. an environment free of guns) for people who are suicidal results in a reduction in the occurrence of suicide.

      I have yet to see any empiric studies that show that suicides do not decrease after a reduction in guns.  If you know of any such studies please let me know: I want to see them.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:25:14 PM PDT

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      •  So... (7+ / 0-)

        You propose removing 270 million guns from responsible, law-abiding gun owners because 30,000 people die of bullet wounds over a year's time - accidental, self-inflicted and crime related? Good luck with that.

        I will await your crusade to ban doctors, nurses, hospitals and all forms of medical care due to the large number of people who die of lousy or non-existent medical care every year - many, many times the number of deaths than are caused by bullets (outside of war zones). Oh, and motor vehicles too. Lots of people die of those. High school and college sports, particularly football, but trampolines too. And ladders. And bicycles. And horses. And slippery bathtubs. And burning houses. And mosquitoes! 3+ million a year! Not to mention dogs, bears, cougars, rats (they poop!) with fleas. Birds and pigs harbor influenzas, e.coli and salmonella kill indiscriminately, etc., etc., etc.

        ~8 million people die in the U.S. alone every single year, and your lifetime chances of being diagnosed with cancer are scheduled to go upwards of 1 in two by 2020, mostly from industrial pollution and poisons in our food, air and water. You've got your work cut out for you, I must say.

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