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  •  first of all, (12+ / 0-)

    your comment reeks of anti-intellectualism.

    second, the idea that we know everything there is to know is quite simply laughable.

    third, the idea that student interest should drive such decisions is one reason we are in a state of decline on all fronts.

    elders need to make these decisions.

    finally, your position is inherently elitist: only the rich get to study certain things at all, as if human history and culture were only their province.

    that is classic conservatism in the extreme.

    finally, one never knows when a discovery IN ANY FIELD could lead to a huge advantage for the human race.  yes, even in renaissance studies.  hell, i'd say more likely there than a lot of other places.  just understanding how we could foster that level of creativity NOW would change the whole world.

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    by BlueDragon on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 04:47:30 AM PDT

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    •  Well, I have I have 4 graduate level degrees, inc. (2+ / 0-)
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      a J.D. from the University of CA so I categorically reject the charge of anti-intellectualism.  I said that such studies are not the province of the rich, but the stuff of hobbies and not careers.    

      I do not think that a person who is seriously intellectual rejects the reality of the 21st century job market.  It is academics, who think that true intellectuals are only found in their ivory towers, who are both elitist and oblivious.

      And it is academics who steer millions of young people in the wrong direction by promoting fields of study that benefit the academics and not those among our youth who will have to work to pay the mortgage and put food on the table for the rest of their lives.  They need to think realistically about how they are going to do that in a manner that is somewhat personally satisfying and dignified.

      •  How are "academics" others if you have so many (4+ / 0-)

        Degrees. You are also an "academic" and always will be, even if you have no job in the academy. As this article makes clear, most faculty in the academy are not full-time. Are we even "academics" ? We are not the ones making these decisions as we are excluded from all of that. Moreover, you want to talk about this as an individual problem. So, it's the fault of certain people, etc. You do understand how fallacious this is? Right? I mean, you have all these degrees ... You ought to know better. Anyone with as many degrees as you claim ought to know how problematic all of this is.

      •  Your vision of the world is seriously bleak (0+ / 0-)

        Steer people in the wrong direction for studying Renaissance Literature? Seriously.

        There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

        by upstate NY on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 07:06:02 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, very seriously. First of all, and again, I (0+ / 0-)

          didn't say don't study Renaissance literature.  By all means, study away.  Just don't try to get a Ph.D. in the subject and then cry yourself to sleep and beat your chest when you don't land a tenure-track academic position in the field.

          There's a difference.

          •  Show me numbers that compare the job prospects (0+ / 0-)

            of Ren. PhDs as opposed to say Engineering or Business, etc. Show numbers that prove there are bad prospects in academia for Ren. Lit. PhDs (who are few and far between, in any case--I'm at a big state AAU school (one of about 30 in the entire country) that churns out about 3 or 4 PhDs per year, and of those I'd say maybe 10% are Ren. Lit. -- to be generous -- and we have a faculty with 4 Ren. lit. scholars (which is huge comparatively). This means we produce 1 every 3 years or so. I imagine there may be about 10 produced in any given year nationally, with 3 or 4 tenured jobs in the field, a couple instructorships or post-docs. This is no different than students in the general population in any major.

            What we're talking about here is sub minimum wage pay. We're talking about universities taking advantage of people to keep wages down.

            Do you believe in the minimum wage?

            There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

            by upstate NY on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 09:12:15 AM PDT

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