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  •  that statement sounds pretty neutral except.... (0+ / 0-)

    .... if one knew something more about the people who signed it.  For example they may have been supporting integration and attempting to urge white folks to cool it and not engage in violence.  Or they might have been opposing integration and attempting to urge anyone, white, black, both, to cool it and not engage in violence.  

    The statement appears very carefully constructed to say basically that integration was going to happen, that people are going to disagree strongly about that, but that people shouldn't react to it with violence.  

    I would be reluctant to come to any conclusions about the statement without knowing more about the people behind it and the other things they were doing.

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    I gotta' scoot for now; I'll be back later this afternoon.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:26:07 AM PDT

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    •  MLK was not confused by what they said. (1+ / 0-)
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      MY DEAR FELLOW CLERGYMEN:

      While confined here in the Birmingham City Jail, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities "unwise and untimely." Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine goodwill and that your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I want to try to answer your statements in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.

      Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:33:10 AM PDT

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      •  OK, so there's the context: (0+ / 0-)

        Those were the "white moderates" that King had so thoroughly warned about, the ones who say that justice will come "in time," and for whom the time of justice never comes.

        But how can one confuse the blazingly clear and deeply inspiring words of King himeself (I read his entire letter and the annotations), with the hateful words of today's worshipers of Mammon and devotees of power who wrap themselves in ecclesiastical garb while urging their followers to embody domination and hatred in their every doing and their very being?  These are as different as any two groups of humans can possibly be.  Both call themselves Christian, but it's clear who the historical Jesus would embrace as his friends and who he would condemn thunderously.  

        The religious right is a shameful and disgraceful perversion.  It fails all tests of consistency and all tests of decency.  It is the heir, in its origins, and its words, and in its deeds, to the viciousness of those who bombed black homes and churches with the blessings of complicit authorities of their era.  

        And to lump together these heirs of segregationism with the heirs of Civil Rights, is not only a logical error, not only a concession of defeat in the face of evil, but the internalization of the very disease itself.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:18:45 PM PDT

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        •  But the soft ones only hide their dismissal of me (1+ / 0-)
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          as human better.

          If I had not experienced the soft hate too I would agree with you. But the soft hate makes it even worse because they refuse to understand or even acknowledge that they are being injurious. All the while pretending to support you, at least until you call them out on it. Then they get hostile because you are challenging their theology, and that is sacrosanct. Not my right to a home, food, or a job but their theology certainly is.

          I agree there is a difference between someone that will kill me out right and someone that not only ignores my suffering so I die from exposure but gets angry at me for asking them why they won't let me inside. So I still find them equally dangerous.

          Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:38:20 PM PDT

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          •  you're standing at the frontier, not only of... (0+ / 0-)

            ... civil rights, but of the evolution of the human mind.

            See also my just-posted reply to your other comment.

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            To recall part of that reply:  Transgender reality challenges core assumptions about what is real in human existence, what is innate, and what is subject to change through sheer force of will to bring one's outward life into alignment with one's inner reality.  It challenges the conditionality of love that hinges upon sexuality, with the unconditionality of love that hinges upon the heart, mind, soul, and character of a person.  

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            That's a leap that few today are even equipped to make.  It's an evolutionary leap in the nature of the human mind, from love that's based in sexuality, to love that's based in the mind and the character of a person.  It challenges deeply-rooted instincts that have been necessary for the propagation of the species, right up to present times when what threatens the species isn't an inability to propagate but the effects of propagating all too successfully.  

            The closest previous struggle was the struggle for inter-racial marriage, because the "mixing of races" challenges the very identity as well as the power of those who benefit from being able to hold others down based upon something as visible as color.  

            But consider how slowly even progressives change their attitudes about what is immutable about humans, and about the relationship of surgery to the nature of one's humanity:

            Consider all the callous jokes about Dick Cheney, that make reference to his use of an artificial heart: these still play upon the prejudices that arise from the conflation of the idea of "heart as blood-pumping organ" with the idea of "heart as metaphor for human feeling."  

            Those jokes demonstrate a fear of Cheney as monster, as larger-than-life, and more powerful than ordinary humans.  But the reality is that Cheney is a frail old man who has lived his entire life in a state of abject terror of his own mortality: from his youthful draft evasion to his frequent heart attacks to his ultimate reliance upon a piece of imperfect technology for his tenuous lease on life.  

            That "monster" turns out to be a relative weakling, and his superhuman powers turn out to be a pure illusion of our own fear: our fears that are nothing more than the contagious uptake of his own state of permanent fear.

            And here we are only talking about the replacement of an internal organ.  Transgender reality that includes gender surgery, is even more difficult for most people to grasp.

            And yet: there was a time when male erectile dysfunction was referred to as "impotence" (literally: powerlessness), and when psychiatric depression was an unmentionable subject, nearly taboo due to its apparently pervasive resistance to treatment.  There was a time, but is no longer, because both of those taboos were swept away in the relative eye-blink of the time it took for reliable treatments to become widely available.  

            The reliability of those treatments is such that today both conditions are spoken of in the same manner as any other ordinary medical condition that's fixed with pills.  The "stigma" that formerly attached to each, is now considered a quaint superstition of an earlier era.

            So it's inevitable that transgender reality will follow much the same path, as a direct outcome of genetic medicine.  When two old friends meet up for the first time in years, to discover that one of them has switched genders, the reaction will be more along the lines of "holy cow!, you look just wonderful!" and a big mutual hug.  

            Between now and then, are the un-asked-for struggles of pioneers such as yourself, both the bold and the reluctant.  But part of that struggle is going to involve making people recognize that the future of genetic medicine is coming whether they like it or not, and gender will be one of the many things that can be changed at will with a course of prescriptions.  

            I had a Phys Ed instructor in high school in the late 70s, who got at this topic indirectly, and perhaps un-intentionally, when he gave the class a brief lecture and thought-exercise.

            Basically he asked this:  If a close friend got injured in war or on the job, such that he lost an arm or a leg, would he still be the same person?  What if he lost both arms and both legs?  What is it about a person, that you appreciate most as a friend?  

            And so it goes for pants and dresses, penises and vaginas: what is it about a person, that anyone respects and appreciates most as a friend, and, one might ask, what is it that one loves about someone else?  

            So there's a way forward.  Ask people the same questions that my phys ed instructor asked.  Don't make the overt connection to transgender reality.  Let them figure that out for themselves.  When they do, they might have a lightbulb go on in their heads.  

            "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 09:41:13 PM PDT

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