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  •  Some things you should be on time for (2+ / 0-)
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    ConfusedSkyes, Stwriley

    and may involve boring stuff part of the time, even though they are worthwile:

    concerts (as participant or audience)
    plays (as participant or audience)
    movies
    child care (dropping off, picking up kids from events)
    transportation (airplane, train, bus)
    sporting events (as participant or audience)
    restaurants that require reservations
    a date with the attracting sex
    a visit with parents/friends of your significant other
    meetings with co-workers
    most government and volunteering activities (phone banking, door knocking (at the outset), city council meetings, interviews with representative etc)

    The list goes on and on.   Also about 90% of jobs require you to be on time for the interview, on time for the job etc.  For some jobs (eg, when I did security guard work) being late or no-show without arranging to have your shift covered will get you fired faster than damn near anything else.

    And ALL jobs require you to do stuff that you don't enjoy, no matter how good a job it is or how flexible it might be with respect to hours.

    The modern world requires a healthy respect for time, as does any human interaction that is in "real time" (as opposed to emailing, blogging and texting).   The kid needs to learn that somewhere, and to me, a respect for time is part of being a good citizen of the USA.  

    •  Agreed, but self-motivated/directed people... (3+ / 0-)
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      reconnected, FloridaSNMOM, angelajean

      IMO make the most highly motivated, there when they need to be workers.  If you are doing a job that you freely chose and you like doing I think you are much easier to work with than if you are doing one you hate because you have to.

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      by leftyparent on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:13:08 PM PDT

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      •  If greblos could see your kids, (2+ / 0-)
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        especially your daughter, who wrote a post here, he would see the innate responsibility your children take "in excess".  You can't teach responsibility, it has to be taken on by the individual...Just ask Mittens.

        You can demand it, but it won't stick on an unwilling participant.

        If you starve the middle class, whose gonna pay for your crap?

        by rosabw on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:22:15 AM PDT

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    •  Kids need to learn the importance of time (2+ / 0-)
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      greblos, angelajean

      management. I don't necessarily agree that schools teach that. They expect you to do it instinctively more then they teach it. That's part of the problem kids with ADD/ADHD have, they are expected to just know how to manage time, when they need more instruction on it.
      I have dyscaluculia that wasn't diagnosed until college. Part of my disability is the inability to sense how much time passes, another part is inverting numbers. I have a real problem with time management as a result. Because of how this was  handled in school, between loud buzzing for between classes, which could have been helpful in some instances (except I never learned how to handle this on my own, it was done arbitrarily), and assignments due at proscribed intervals, I became paranoid about time. I set alarms for everything. Cell phones have proven helpful in that, but I used to be chronically late from breaks, or I'd go out to clock in six times thinking I was.  Or I'd panic if I wasn't early, because I couldn't tell if I was going to be late.
      Never once did public school ever teach me how to be 'on time' other than the buzzers between classes, which I relied on during school but did me absolutely NO GOOD any other time.
      So while perhaps for people with a good time sense the current system would help them be 'on time', for the kids that really need it, it doesn't really help with real world skills.

      "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

      by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 06:55:13 PM PDT

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      •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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        As with many of my things on my "If I was king of the world I'd make sure schools teach.." list, not everyone can learn the same way.

        Maybe there should be an explicit class for this for those who somehow don't arrive at school equipped with time management skills, and another one for basic social behavior expectations (which could teach something like how to behave in a sit-down restaurant for kids whose families can't take them there, and how to behave with dogs, cats and other commonly encountered animals for people whose families don't have pets or working animals)

        Certainly I could get behind "firearm education" classes taught the same way "driver's education" classes are.

        I'd like the curriculum to reflect the kinds of things people encounter in life, and for kids to have to show they've mastered these skills - regardless of HOW they mastered them.  I'm all for diagnosing conditions that interfere with "typical" learning patterns and providing help early on that front, even whole separate tracks for some disabilities, just as we must do for severe sight or hearing disabilities.

        Bottom line though is that the real world doesn't care about any of that.  We want our kids to graduate able to function in the real world.  That means learning strengths AND weaknesses, playing to the strengths and overcoming weaknesses.

        To do that needs some benchmark for what an adult needs to both know and be able to do.

        And that is where the public school curricula comes in.  

        I don't care HOW all this is taught.  But we are doing an increasingly poor job of it, and I don't see homeschooling as the answer.  Most parents have neither the time, the training or the inclination to be teachers.   I don't see private schools as the answer either.  Too many have agendas, be they "make as much money as possible" or "cram my religion down the throat of the students."

        At least with the public schools, the citizens in theory have some influence over what is taught and how it is taught.  But it is nearly as dysfunctional as our health care system at the moment.

        •  Maybe the best answer (2+ / 0-)
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          is all of the above. Some kids will do best home schooled, some private schooled, some taught in smaller classrooms, some in more 'typical' situations. The point is to open it up, to have more options not less.
          And yes, in some cases home schooling is the answer. Especially when a school district can't or won't do what's best for that child. Unfortunately, "no child left behind" leaves way too many children behind.

          "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

          by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 08:27:52 PM PDT

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        •  I think all kids need to leave school learning one (2+ / 0-)
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          gramofsam1, FloridaSNMOM

          thing - how to find answers.

          This may sound trite, but when it comes down to it, kids that know how to problem solve. We don't teach much real life problem solving in school - we teach how to choose the correct answer on the multiple choice test and real life doesn't often look like a multiple choice test.

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