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  •  Seething about the diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Strikes me badly. I got for a woman because I identify with her views, not because she's a woman. The diary seems almost geared the opposite way, that gender needs to be supported. Qualification comes first, though. The fact that ill vote for women has to do with us sharing similar ideals, especially given the Democratic Party's ability to field a more diverse lineup. But that doesn't have to do with a woman being a woman, that has to do with her ideals and qualifications.

    I could be over thinking it though.

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    by DAISHI on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 07:43:26 AM PDT

    •  the diary points to several reasons why... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...qualified women may not have the chance to present themselves as candidates - because of the way the US system functions.

      Voters in Rwanda and 67 other countries consistently have more chances to compare their ideals to the ideals of female candidates than you do.

      The fact that the US system works that way is intentional.

      Cheers.

    •  I have no idea what diary you were reading. (0+ / 0-)

      This is a talking point I'd expect from a Republican.

      The diary seems almost geared the opposite way, that gender needs to be supported.
      Where did I suggest that you should vote for someone based on gender alone? Good luck finding that quote, because it doesn't exist. Nowhere in this diary did I suggest that gender alone qualifies a woman to do anything.
      Qualification comes first, though.
      No kidding! And elsewhere in the comments, I think you'll find that I said that.

      In the diary I simply pointed out that while women make up more than half the population, we make up less than a quarter of the government. Do you really believe that is because there aren't enough qualified women to serve? Maybe that was true in the 1950s, but it isn't true today. There have been several academic studies on this subject, and none of them back up your POV. Not one!

      Obviously, I would not vote for someone based on gender alone. My current Congresswoman is a Republican, for example. I'll be voting for her Democratic male opponent.

      I have happily supported liberal male politicians all my life, with donations, volunteer work, and my vote, and will continue to do so. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see more qualified, intelligent, Democratic women in government. I would, and frankly, I don't think there is anything wrong with that desire.

      I would also like to see more minorities in government - both male and female. Now would I vote for someone based on race alone? No, but I firmly believe that this country would be a better place if Congress was a more diverse body.

      You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time ~ Pres. Lincoln's warning for Romney

      by AuroraDawn on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 10:34:31 AM PDT

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      •  Not necessarily (0+ / 0-)

        a Republican talking point. I read your list of women candidates and while I support several of them and prefer most to Republican mals or female DiFi or Caskill for instance are not Dems. I can honestly say I can get behind as a liberal progressive woman. I will and do vote for them as the alternative is dire. I don''t think just because a candidate or pol is a woman that makes them automatically better then say a liberal man running for the same office.

         I do believe that if our representative bodies had as many women as men we would be better off. There are also many women running for office I do support and donate to Elisabeth Warren, Donna Edwards, Tammy Baldwin. How many progressive liberal women are given power and a chance to take on the party machines in place?  

        To say that one votes for what the candidates advocates or believes in or holds as principles is not Republican talking points or anti-women talking points It's thinking through the filter of partisan gender loyalty and voting for pols, female or male who are democratic and are willing to fight for human and womens rights.  

        I expect to see more and more women join the fray and take on the men's club without becoming caricatures of their male counterpoints. Iron maidens with 'balls' somehow just piss my feminist self right off.  Just like with male Democrat's we need more better women candidates.  

        •  But to say that my diary... (1+ / 0-)
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          left them "seething", and to suggest that I was saying we should vote for a candidate based on gender alone?

          I never once suggested that we should mindlessly vote for female candidates simply because of their gender. If you - or the other poster - misunderstood my meaning, than I am apologize, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I would never endorse such a strategy.

          My point was quite simply this: Women make up 51% of the population and less than 20% of Congress. I would like to see that change. I would like to see more women - qualified, liberal women - in Congress. I would also like to see more men and women of color in Congress. Would I vote for a candidate based solely on their gender (or race)? No, of course not.

          I don''t think just because a candidate or pol is a woman that makes them automatically better then say a liberal man running for the same office.
          Of course it doesn't, and I never once said that it did. I'm not sure why you - or the other poster - seem to think that I was suggesting women are inherently better than men. I don't believe that and I wasn't attempting to suggest it. I would simply like to see a more equal balance of both men and women, as well as racial minorities, in Congress.

          As for McCaskill, she is to the right of me, but IMHO she is, by far, preferable to her opponent Todd Akin. Not because she is a woman, but because she is sane. He isn't. More to the point, Todd Akin is a misogynist.

          If you can't bring yourself to support her, because you don't agree with her politics, that's fine, I can understand that.

          To say that one votes for what the candidates advocates or believes in or holds as principles is not Republican talking points
          No, it isn't, and that wasn't what I took exception to. This is the comment I found offensive, and reminiscent of GOP talking points:
          Seething about the diary
          Strikes me badly. The diary seems almost geared the opposite way, that gender needs to be supported. Qualification comes first, though.

          To suggest that I was asking people to vote based solely on gender, isn't true, and I find that accusation deeply insulting. It's the sort of accusation that Republicans toss out whenever they criticize women - they accuse us of voting blindly based on gender. I have never once done that in my life. I supported Obama in the primary, not Clinton. Why? Because I considered him the better candidate. I'm supporting my male Democratic Congressional candidate against his female Republican opponent. Why? He's sane and much better qualified. And I will happily support any other liberal male candidate who shares my views.

          That said, I do feel society would benefit from more equal representation in Congress. I don't think that is a sexist or discriminatory stance to take.

          You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time ~ Pres. Lincoln's warning for Romney

          by AuroraDawn on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 06:03:09 PM PDT

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          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            and did not in any way mean to detract from your wonderful dairy that promotes more women in our representative political bodies. It is truly needed. We need more progressive democratic women and more minority liberal candidates who represent the principles of democracy and run as Democrat's.  

            Of course McCaskill is better then Akins. Akins is pig ignorant and so creepy it makes Clare in all her blue doggie nastiness the obvious choice. I'm just saying that as a women I want and will work for not only more women but women who are actually democratic, and gasp, liberal.

            I did not in any way mean to give you grief for your dairy's promotion of women having equal representation in our national government bodies. I too worked for and supported Obama over Clinton for the same reasons you did. I'm not a big fan of breaking glass ceilings created by white dudes who do god's work. I'm also not a big fan of women pol's with power like Hillary, Maddog Albright, Thatcher and the current Angela Merkel.

            I'm not attacking you or your dairy but please having numbers demographics, more women more minority representatives doesn't address the overriding dilemma we as voters all face. Who in this sea of machine pols R and D will actually offer some  representation of we the people be we male female or GLBT?

            So don't jump down my throat just give me some choice. Male female, gay I don't care. I do care about women's rights I care about human rights. I see very few Democratic pols of any genders willing to stand up and fight for ordinary people and for democratic principles.  

            Good dairy and Carl Sagan one of my favorite humane scientists agrees with you. Until our governing bodies are not all yang where screwed. Is Caskill without the threat of Akins a good female D candidate? No sadly and she is what were stuck with nationally both male and female. Too bad the Democratic party isn't representative of what all as humans need and want representation bottom up.  

                   

            •  I apologize if I overreacted... (1+ / 0-)
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              I was just really insulted by the original poster's comment. Usually, I wouldn't be so sensitive, but I've had a terrible week, and I think that's reflected in my response. I'm sorry I gave you grief for it.

              I see very few Democratic pols of any genders willing to stand up and fight for ordinary people and for democratic principles.
                   
              This I completely agree with. I find many of our mainstream Democratic choices - both male and female - disappointing. The Senator I most admire isn't even a Democrat, he's an Independent - Bernie Sanders. He is what Democrats should aspire to be IMHO.

              The original mission of Kos was to elect "more and better" Democrats. Unfortunately, the right-wing has gone completely off the deep-end, and a result, we seem to be focused on the "more" part to the exclusion of the "better" bit. It's frustrating.

              You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time ~ Pres. Lincoln's warning for Romney

              by AuroraDawn on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 07:17:34 PM PDT

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              •  More women will help (1+ / 0-)
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                call me prejudiced or what ever but I do believe that the more women we elect the better chance we have to have a government that is more representative of humanist values. Sorry to give you grief, my intent was self serving in my own intense search for democratic representation that just represents all of us. Hard to reconcile real politics with what we need as women and as a society.

                I too look forward to a democratic representative  government that actually represents all of us women, men, children and old people, young people. Humans all of us globally need help and representation. Were all worthy of consideration and we all are surely above the machination of those that have power and seek to maintain their grip, be they male or female. Meanwhile plenty of female pols I can and do support.  Thanks for he dairy. It fired me up to get 'more, better' women elected to public office.

                I goggled women candidates in 2012 and found many admirable women running in this election then I knew or imagined that were out there and running. So thank you. You lifted this liberal woman up.            

                •  I don't think it's prejudiced at all... (1+ / 0-)
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                  The current makeup of Congress doesn't reflect us accurately as a society. It just doesn't. Hopefully, that will change. I truly believe that once we have a more diverse Congress, with more women and more minorities, we will begin to see certain issues addressed (both economic and social issues) that have been largely ignored.

                  There are plenty of wonderful liberal men in Congress, and I'm not trying to take anything away from them, or diminish their contributions, but I believe it would help to have a larger cross section of society represented; to have people from all walks of life, people who brought a different outlook and life experience to the table.

                  Humans all of us globally need help and representation. Were all worthy of consideration and we all are surely above the machination of those that have power and seek to maintain their grip, be they male or female.
                  Very well said.
                  It fired me up to get 'more, better' women elected to public office.
                  I'm glad, that's what I hoped to do.  :-)

                  "I think my biggest concern obviously would just be for his mental well-being," ~ Ann Romney discussing Mitt.

                  by AuroraDawn on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 08:18:33 PM PDT

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