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  •  Exactly right. (9+ / 0-)

    The "Lesson" of 2010 gave us the worst Congress in History, stopped the Obama/Pelosi Progressive agenda cold and brought the TeaBaggers to national power.
    The "lesson" learned by the Democrats was that the Left is unreliable, can't be trusted because they are so fu(king clueless they pull this kind of crap and lose elections.
    If you want to move this country to the Left (and I believe most of us do), infiltrate and colonize the Democratic Party.
    Do what the Libertarians did to the Republicans. Take it over and work it from the inside.

    •  right on (1+ / 0-)
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      I've always myself this question: WTF happened that year? That midterm was perhaps the most destructive election to the left since 1980. The Tea Party got control of a ton of governorships, state legislatures, congressional/Senate seats, the levers to redistricting for 10 years. And we know what happens next: debt ceiling idiocy, Jim Crow lite laws, continuing annihilation of the rights of union workers, etc.

      The left didn't do a good enough job defending Obama then, and it still hasn't. The counterargument is also true (that Obama has been not a consistent defender of progressive ideals), but it's a two-way street.

      Michael Kazin:

      But, unlike in the 1930s and 1960s, this progressive president could not rely on surging liberal movements to help him advance his key legislative goals and to counter the powerful, and predictable, opposition of conservatives. Labor unions were struggling to stop decades of declining numbers and political clout, and advocates of universal health insurance had never been able to reach much beyond a passionate but small cohort of policy wonks. Obama certainly should have made a better case for his health care bill and for his American Jobs Act. But his task was a lot harder in the absence of vigorous pressure from a growing left.

      Most conservatives, to their credit, have never shared the illusion that, without a president of their own, there is nothing much they can accomplish. In the 15 years after Barry Goldwater suffered one of the worst electoral drubbings in American history, right-wing activists slowly and methodically captured control of state parties outside the Northeast. At the same time, they launched new think-tanks, feisty publications, talk-shows, and direct mail firms, and forged an alliance between anti-union businesses, anti-tax crusaders, and anti-abortion churches. As president, Ronald Reagan could not enact all of their agenda. But what he did achieve was due, in large part, to the diligent preparatory work of his fellow “movement conservatives.”

      Of course, a Romney victory will be depressing as hell. Every physically able liberal, every Democrat should be making phone calls and/or knocking on doors in a swing state between now and when the last polls close on November 6. But if Obama does end up losing, it will be as much due to the weakness of liberal movements as to any flaws in his message, style, or policies. The time to generate popular momentum behind the changes you desire is before the quadrennial circus dominates the media and your mind.

      •  I'll tell you exactly what happened (0+ / 0-)

        A whole bunch of white voters all over this country voted with their race. Why exactly do they hate Obama so gosh-darned much? Think about it for about a minute or two...

        A solar spill is just called a nice day

        by furpletron on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:47:40 PM PDT

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    •  wrong, it was a lack of a progressive agenda (9+ / 0-)

      that didn't move the voters.

      Where were the prosecutions of Bush/Cheney.. Wall St... CIA torturers?  Single payer tabled outright because the corporations didn't want it... endless pursuit of 'bipartisanship.'

      What motivation did progressives have to vote for more of that bullshit?

      Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
      Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

      by The Dead Man on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:25:24 PM PDT

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      •  No, it was the lack of vision. Defining Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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        was completely left to the Republicans who chanted death panels over and over. Trials of Bush/Cheney would have gone nofuckingwhere.

        The White House did not communicate worth shit, and whoever dropped that ball screwed the pooch and the rest of us.

        "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

        by glorificus on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 07:00:42 PM PDT

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      •  How about Lily Ledbetter (5+ / 0-)

        on his first day in office, just before he signed the executive order banning torture? Miss that?
        And what evidence is there that "Single payer (was) tabled outright"? There was a h3ll of a fight over it behind closed doors, but you didn't notice, right?
        And when it became obvious that SP wasn't going to happen, what happened with Public Option? Do you remember? If not, let me refresh your memory: The Purist Left, with Jane Hamsher in the lead, TEAMED UP WITH GROVER NORQUIST TO KILL IT!
        I'm sure you missed that part, too.
        That lack of a progressive agenda that you cite is a complete bullsh!t talkingpoint. Obama and Pelosi got more Progressive legislation passed in two years than the previous two Democrats and ALL of the GOP since Nixon.
        But the propaganda machine on the Left, the "Pure Progressives" p!ssed and moaned about every dammed thing, found a worm in every apple even if they had to invent one and made a point of running down every accomplishment that Obama and Pelosi achieved. That was swallowed whole by the less-tuned-in Lefties who parroted the same lame Nadir quote about two sides of the same coin (never knowing that they were actually quoting George Wallace!) as a mantra that paid off gloriously for the Far Right in 2010 when Progressive voters sat out the election and swept Boner into the Speaker's chair.
        The Left has a lot to be proud of as a result: The TeaParty, the Debt Ceiling/Credit Rating downgrade, the weakening of the ACA, the weakening of Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Finance watchdog, and countless other lost opportunities, including dragging out the economic recovery and making it impossible to pass a second Stimulus or even a fragment of it in the form of Jobs bills.
        Yes, I'd have liked to see Bush and Cheney prosecuted. It was not likely to happen and it didn't.
        Most of what Wall Street did to US was LEGAL and what they did that was illegal is being investigated and prosecuted currently, BoA just got hit with a $Billion in fines over their mortgage fraud.
        I know, you wanted to see the CEOs lynched in Times Square on National Tv, sorry, that's not how justice works.
        And as for Bi-partisanship, you probably don't remember that there was a huge media uproar of people calling for Washington DC to "work together" to get things done. That means, to work across the aisle, with the opposition, particularly when they are able to filibuster and obstruct at will. Obama tried to fulfill that demand And it was a demand from the Left as well as from the Right. So now you bash him for doing what he was being told by most of his constituents to do.
        As you can probably tell, I have become thoroughly disgusted by the Professional Left and their hangers on. They act just as blindered and just as simpleminded as the TeaBaggers.
        Ideology, of any form, is a disaster when put into practice. The world is not black & white, it's not even shades of gray, it's at least 4294967296 colors.
        And ideologues on both ends of the spectrum have proven themselves colorblind in the worst sense of the word.

        •  I swear to Hera the next time someone brings up (3+ / 0-)

          Lilly Ledbetter as the signature achievement I'm going to slap a fish.  It ain't the Equal Rights Amendment.

          The new act states that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action.
          Don't get me wrong, it's a good law, but it's always being talked up like some awesome miracle legislation.  And that's just damn stupid.

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          Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
          Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

          by The Dead Man on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 08:17:18 PM PDT

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