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  •  In the school my kids go to parents can choose (0+ / 0-)

    which teacher they go to. Maybe merit pay will help kids and parents help good teachers get more money.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 04:31:54 AM PDT

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    •  What happens (8+ / 0-)

      When one teacher has 40 students and the other has 3?  BTW have you ever read Malcom Gladwell's study about how people rate good doctors?  He discovered that people dont actually rate doctors on merit, competence, ablity etc.  The doctors people rated as the "best" were the most friendly.  And thats with a profession that can be measured for performance.  There is no way to measure teaching yet and no way to accurately evaluate teachers.  Science cannot yet explain or quantify how people learn or how people teach.  

      I take political action every day. I teach.

      by jbfunk on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 06:35:23 AM PDT

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      •  Gladwell is great on a lot of things. (2+ / 0-)
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        caul, maf1029 Outliers excerpt

        I also found his discussion of age maturity, cutoff dates, and student achievement to be informative.

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        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 07:34:42 AM PDT

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      •  Not enough parents know or care which class their (0+ / 0-)

        kids go to. So one class has most of the kids with involved parents and the principal never lets the attendance become more than two students lopsided. Everyone knows who the good teachers are, students, principals, other teachers, parents, everyone knows, it's no secret.

        Malcom Gladwell sounds like a piece of work. No doubt he'd say I have no ability to rate his work either. When we can weed docs and teachers for things like incompetence, drug addiction, total lack of social skills, laziness, stupidity, meanness, etc., we'll have better medical care and schools.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 07:58:05 AM PDT

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        •  People (5+ / 0-)

          don't always know who the good teachers are.  That's the whole point.  We've all had a bad teacher at one time or another just as we've encountered a bad dentist, incompetent lawyer, lazy carpenter, or miserable financial planner.  That's life.  Targeting and vilifying an entire profession is a witch hunt, not education reform.  BTW we don't have bad doctors in this society, we have insurance companies forcing good doctors to make bad choices in the name of profit.  And if we keep beating up the teaching profession and blaming it for our schools collapsing, we'll soon have and education system driven by corporations' quarterly reports, not good pedagogy.  The root cause of poor schools is generational poverty, and poorly funded schools.  

          I take political action every day. I teach.

          by jbfunk on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:21:49 AM PDT

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