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  •  How can you misread a short emphatic statement. (0+ / 0-)

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 06:18:12 PM PDT

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    •  my assertion is that you guys are misreading it (1+ / 0-)
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      in an attempt to score political points (which i am not opposed to at all, politics ain't beanbag after all, i'm speaking only of my own gut reading of that sentence). i do not think ann romney is saying what you read the sentence as saying, any more than i think mitt has actual mental stability problems. i think her point is just that running for president is a terrible strain on people, mentally, and that her concern is for how he'd hold up under the pressure.

      i would argue that anyone being honest with themselves would say the same of themselves or their spouse, if they had seen the pressure candidates undergo in the process of campaigning, and doubly so if they had any inkling of what the job of the presidency does to every occupant of that office. presidents age a decade in a term, from what i can see, and candidates look like zombies by the end of a long campaign.

      i understand that you see it differently, i'm just saying that, of all the bullshit crazy stuff ann romney and mitt romney have said, and of all the reasons why mitt has no business being a presidential candidate, i don't really think that this statement ranks particularly high. certainly it's far less of a sign of a borderline psychopathic personality than, say, being a corporate raider vulture capitalist for decades is, IMO.

      •  Ok, I hear you. The statement does add fuel to (1+ / 0-)
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        the fire, imo.

        Drip drip drip

        Keep it going.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:07:22 PM PDT

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        •  fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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          i'm perfectly happy with the man being kicked when he's down. lord knows he has it coming.

          •  THis: (0+ / 0-)
            i would argue that anyone being honest with themselves would say the same of themselves or their spouse...
            If I were on TV, doing an interview, with my mind obviously on building up my spouse, there is no way in hell I say that without adding that I believe my spouse was up to it. There is just no way. What you say makes perfect sense - if she's talking to a friend, a relative - but in an interview on TV? There is just no possible way.

            And all that aside - there's not way I even come close to questioning my spouse's "mental well-being" about it. Seriously, I understand what you're saying, I really do, but I think you're ignoring way too much in a noble attempt to grant her the benefit of the doubt. This isn't a nervous 13-year-old we're talking about.

            And all that goes to my main point - that given this in addition to al we know about Romney - it is perfectly sensible to consider it.

          •  And you don't question his mental stability? (0+ / 0-)

            "any more than i think mitt has actual mental stability problems"

            I very much question his mental stability. Maybe that's the difference between our positions. Mitt Romney is a perfectly shameless liar. That's not an opinion, that's plainly demonstrable fact. And not just any lies, but he has continuously lied about what he believes. He has lied about his own morality too many times too count. He's pro-abortion - he's deeply against abortion. He's pro-government health care - he's deeply against government health care. Etc. x infinity.

            I very seriously question the mental staibility of someone who lies in the way Mitt Romney does. Even more so when it's on a "I'll do anything" quest for a position of such immense power.

            •  nope. i don't. (1+ / 0-)
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              lying repeatedly and changing political positions when running for political office is not praiseworthy, but i don't think it denotes mental instability. quite frankly, given the insane ideological demands put on a GOP presidential candidate, i'm not sure there's any way to even keep the race close without copious amounts of lying and waffling.

              they ask a candidate to adhere to whatever cray position du jour is animating the talk shows with absolute discipline, and the they flip those demands. they demand a candidate espouse views, out in the open and without hedge or nuance, that are poison to critical parts of the electorate necessary to win. it's an impossible task, doubly so for a politician who had to run in a more liberal electorate in previous office.

              granted, the only decent thing to do is to not try to pull such a run off in the first place. but since mitt's doing this, he's pretty much going to have to be duplicitous and inconsistent. no mental instability required.

              •  It's usually my job at dkos to give (0+ / 0-)

                people shit for giving others the benefit of the doubt - but you're in danger of doing damage to some vertebrae bending over backwards this far for Ann Romney. She's not some teenybopper giving her first speech in front of class. She has in fact been to this rodeo several times.

                But we disagree. There ya go.

              •  Oh, and I should say, you're bending (0+ / 0-)

                over backwards equally far for Romney. I understand what you mean with the necessary lying and waffling - Romney is in a whole 'nuther league. From the mega-lying to the assaulting/cutting the gay guy's hair to the dog on the roof of the car - you take care of that spine, now, y'hear?

                •  no need to be a dick about it (0+ / 0-)

                  i just disagree with your reading of that comment is all. both romneys are such a target-rich environment as it is, that i don't really think you need to be acting so defensively about a minor disagreement on a single OMGWTF viral meme story. i'm not criticizing you guys, for christ's sake, i'm just disagreeing.

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