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  •  I find the "they're basically the same" argument (10+ / 0-)

    to be quite tiresome, insulting and infuriating. It's an admission on the part of the person who invokes it to justify not voting, or voting for some pie in the sky third party candidate in a close election, that they're self-absorbed infantiles not worth wasting one's time arguing with, tantamount to passionately arguing about which Star Wars trilogy is better or whether Alexander McQueen is more talented than Marc Jacobs. Who the fuck cares, there are people dying in the world.

    Obviously Obama is far from a perfect choice, for the above reasons and many more. But in elections we usually don't get to choose between Attila the Hun and St. Francis of Assisi, just as we usually don't get to choose between the job from hell and the job from heaven when there are bills to be paid. We have to make the best choice available and hope for the best. What other responsible choice is there? We're not picking a spouse or where to go out for dinner. We're picking a president, and we're never going to get our dream candidate (well, most of us at least, as there are clearly some who adore Obama).

    This is also not a "lesser of two evils". Not in this instance. More like a choice between a very imperfect and a very horrible candidate. And to me, that's a no-brainer. You pick the best person available, and hope for the best.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 09:02:08 PM PDT

    •  Oh really? (0+ / 0-)

      "But in elections we usually don't get to choose between Attila the Hun and St. Francis of Assisi, "

      That comes as news to me.

      Because I'm the imaginary liberal that lives in your head and nowhere else.

    •  "Recreational bitterness" (11+ / 0-)

      I love that term.

      As many of you here know, I'm a hard-core environmentalist. And I often scream out loud at my tv when President Obama does things like speak that oxymoronic (and just plain moronic). term "clean coal."

      But Republicans want to hack up, sell off, mine, top, drill, log, develop, pave and otherwise obliterate the lands that were put into trust for us to protect and preserve for future generations.

      I can and have sent President Obama emails about "clean" coal. I know lobby groups I support are providing him with facts and science to sway his opinion.

       But there is no talking to people like Mitt Romney who think that public lands are just another asset to be harvested and that clean air, clean water, and  uncontaminated soil are an "entitlement" that the grubby commoners don't deserve.

      Republicans gather power, hoard resources, and use those to gain more power. No facts or science can infiltrate that little paradigm.

      Bomb-throwers with their recreational bitterness don't understand the difference  between conversation/dialogue and tantrums.

      I don't have time for tantrums. We have a world to save.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 10:11:54 PM PDT

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      •  I, too, am a hard core environmentalist (1+ / 0-)
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        I am not a happy camper right now, and the newsletters I get from the many regional and national conservation organizations I belong to, support and participate in suggest they aren't happy either.

        Public lands are at high risk under Obama, and I think will be even more so after the election.  Higher risk under Romney?  Likely, but those of us who are issue oriented need to keep up the pressure regardless of the outcome of the elections, state and federal.

        •  Of course we do. We should never rest. (1+ / 0-)
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          Our lands are too valuable and therefore too seductive just sitting there...

          Did you see this? I already am a big Egan fan, but I love that this article showed up on the doorsteps of New York City and the desks across the country.

          http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/...

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 10:39:01 AM PDT

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