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  •  How will this affect out-of-state "boot camps"c (3+ / 0-)
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    Scott Wooledge, G2geek, spacecadet1

    that are run strictly be religious groups who aren't and don't claim to be state-licensed? What will happen to CA parents who send minors to them?

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 08:34:06 PM PDT

    •  Nothing really. (1+ / 0-)
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      If a counselor in CA or anywhere doesn't claim to be licensed then this does not really affect them.

      This would be why it's a good idea to ask people whose professional services your are seeking what their credentials are, and maybe even verify they are not lying.

      If parents choose to entrust their kids' care to unlicensed counselors, there's not much that can be done.

      Just as Churches can still run "pray the gay away" programs, they just can't claim they are mental health programs. They are spiritual/religious programs.

      So, in a way, it's limited.

      Just in the same way, the state can't stop people from raising their children in abusive and neglectful and hurtful ways. The state can really only intervene when it becomes apparent a child is in crisis.

      What this accomplishes is seriously undermines the veneer of creditability of these programs, making it more apparent the buyer should beware.

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      by Scott Wooledge on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 10:00:12 PM PDT

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      •  labeling it quackery is a good start... (3+ / 0-)
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        ..... because it will warn some parents away from trying to "fix" their kids.

        But the hardcore religious right is where this abuse is centered, and they will merely shift tactics to claim it's "spiritual" therapy, and keep on torturing children into suicide.

        The hardcore RR doesn't give a damn about quackery, any more than woo-woo new agers give a damn about quackery when it comes to "energy medicine" and homeopathy and similar nonsense.  

        All of these are people for whom "the other world" is more real to them than "this world."  Which IMHO should be diagnosable as a form of psychosis characterized by impaired reality-testing, paranoia, and ideas of reference.

        Bottom line: the law should be quite clear on this that parents do not have a right to use coercive means to impose their beliefs upon their children.  Children are persons, not property.

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 11:06:05 PM PDT

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