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  •  this hinges on "diagnosing and treating illnesses" (3+ / 0-)
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    Scott Wooledge, Thorby Baslim, atana

    Life coaching and such are the secular equivalent of pastoral counseling, none of which run into trouble with the law unless they claim to "diagnose or treat illness."

    If we permit pastoral counseling, we have to allow the other stuff, else we're privileging religion.

    But this unfortunately is the loophole for parents who still want to "pray the gay away."   Extremist rightwing churches will sanitize their language of anything remotely psychological, and stick to language emphasizing that the kid is possessed by evil and that they are trying to drive out the sins.  

    At some point we have got to confront this at its core, and legislate to the effect that parents may not use coercive means to impose their philosophical outlooks (religious or other) upon their children.  Children are not property.

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    by G2geek on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 10:42:58 PM PDT

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    •  I would hope, actually... (0+ / 0-)

      this is what they do.

      Extremist rightwing churches will sanitize their language of anything remotely psychological, and stick to language emphasizing that the kid is possessed by evil and that they are trying to drive out the sins.  
      I would imagine they would probably do the same and just try not to get caught peddling psycho-babble pseudo-science. They're not good at following the rules.

      And if they do switch to demon possession, etc, that's OK. It's more traumatic for kids sure, but it would drive more parents away from enlisting their kids. That kid of talk isn't very accepted anymore, fortunately.

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      by Scott Wooledge on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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