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  •  It is but it is also (4+ / 0-)
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    directed at the President.

    ... and it looks as if Mr. Obama will emerge with a clear mandate for preserving and extending that system. It would be a terrible mistake, both politically and for the nation’s future, for him to let himself be talked into snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

    by newfie on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 09:39:52 PM PDT

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    •  Congress up for grabs, too (2+ / 0-)
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      If House stays GOP, not a thing has changed.

      If GOP squeaks by and gains Senate, it changes for worse.

      The latter scenario is unlikely. The former is.

      I hear what Krugman is saying but I don't see big changes coming no matter what... unless GOP gains and THOSE changes are for the worse (see: Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Ohio....)

      •  Absolutely. (1+ / 0-)
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        But our best case scenario likely leads to compromises that will hurt the country in the long run.  The other scenarios will hurt the country sooner.

        I hope that I am terribly wrong.  I hope that Obama takes a re-election and pushes to do great things for the country.  Or at least pushes to do so in an attempt to show how bad the GOP is and how far they will go to hurt the American people.  IF he tries to make a clear distinction between what they want to do and what he wants to do he may be able to get the House turned over in 2014.  But I really think that he will try his level best to meet them half way (or maybe a little more than half way) because that is what he has done up until now.  

        And I think people view that as him not truly believing in the platform.  He makes little to no case for his/the Democratic Party view.  He immediately begins to compromise.  So if he doesn't believe in his position why would anyone else?  That is why I think many people do not see the GOP obstruction which we see as obvious.  And why many people blame both parties.  And why many people don't think The President has done much in the way of "reaching across the aisle".  Because he hasn't really made much of a case for what he stands for.

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Sun Sep 30, 2012 at 10:01:57 PM PDT

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        •  Lincoln, too, in every particular (0+ / 0-)

          Sought to avoid war and partisan strife and yet received it.

          He should to avoid radical departure from convention, even at cost of respect from his own supporters. Yet the times compelled him, not in all ways but to make stands that matter.

          My point is that none of us get to define greatness ahead of time. It must be made from scratch, every time.

          •  That statement is simply not true (1+ / 0-)
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            Lincoln rejected certain entreaties from southern leaders/compromisers in the period between election and taking office.

            Lincoln didn't AVOID the war. He did make sure when it happened he was on sound legal ground and that the South were the aggressors.

            An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

            by mightymouse on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:44:45 AM PDT

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            •  Rejected certain entreaties... (0+ / 0-)

              I gather his inauguration address is of no account?

              It was a Dear South Please Don't Go Open Letter

              "We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
              But maybe so-called Honest Abe was just a big fat liar when he said that.
              •  sure, he was a great speaker (0+ / 0-)

                but he didn't compromise away his position.

                he could have NOT supplied Fort Sumter, you know? but he did, and south attacked, and there you go.

                An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                by mightymouse on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:22:47 AM PDT

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