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  •  While this does not apply to everyone who is (3+ / 0-)

    into it some people have an exploitable "glitch" in the way their brains handle the release of endorphins.  In other words, some people can actually get high off of it.  Oh, and you should ignore pretty much every fiction book with such themes as very few if any are anywhere close to reality.  Actual abuse is taken far more seriously in the BDSM community than almost anywhere else for obvious reasons.

    There is no saving throw against stupid.

    by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 11:21:31 AM PDT

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    •  I guess... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... I'm just not hardwired to appreciate it - definitely not in reality, and the few times I've read it in fiction, I skipped those parts.

      Any other sizzling, romantic, sensual stuff, especially flirting.... love it...!  Will watch or re-read to my heart's content.  The reality of adrenalin-rush sex making endorphins sail through the blood is overwhelming then.

      Diff'rent strokes and all that.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 12:05:05 PM PDT

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      •  Most people aren't, I think I heard only between (1+ / 0-)
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        10 to 20 percent of people are even physically capable of doing so.  However, I am sure you can at least appreciate all the effort that goes into making sure everyone stay safe (both physically and mentally) and has fun.

        There is no saving throw against stupid.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 12:20:35 PM PDT

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        •  I think you're seriously underestimating things. (3+ / 0-)

          Far more than 10-20% of people are susceptible to that 'glitch' that you mention -- it's just that, I think, most would never think to try to exploit it.  In fact, many people do without realizing it -- a runner's high is one such 'glitch,' the way that you feel after a good stretch of hard yet rewarding physical labor is another, and even during vigorous sex part of the endorphin release can be simply attributed to physical exertion.  

          I think that the primary difference between 'normal' people and those who can get off on having pain inflicted on them is a different attitude towards pain than normal.  When you know that the pain that's being inflicted isn't from damage and you don't have to worry about being crippled, pain can become a lot easier to accept and ignore.  If you cannot make that leap -- and/or if you cannot trust the person inflicting pain on you to stop before they do lasting damage -- then it's an entirely different kettle of fish.  (That's one of the things that most people outside the BDSM community don't seem to realise -- the huge amount of trust that needs to be maintained for the thing to work and to not turn into an honest torture session.)

          Virtually anyone can learn this, I think, and that's part of why interrogation and brainwashing techniques that combine pleasure and pain -- or at least reward and pain -- can be so effective.  

      •  A lot of it is hardwired (2+ / 0-)
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        I attended a workshop yesterday that analyzed this very issue.  The words that we discused were "Sex Magic".  It's not just endorphins, and it's not just sex, it's a tangled web of desire and pleasure.  In the long run, if it doesn't bring pleasure then why are you doing it (NOTE: Your definion of "pleasure" may vary)?

        A couple notes for the vaguely curious (feel free to squick out and skip):

        Two different lines get intermixed a lot.  There is the "Sadism/Mascochism" line, and there is the "Dominance / Submission" line.  Hell, they interweave in "BDSM".  Nevertheless, they are totally different.

        Sado/Mascochism is all about the endorphin rush.  It takes suprisingly little sensation to get it going.  

        Dominance/submission is a totally different ball game, and is all about attitude and giving and taking service.

        Intermixing these two different interplays as if they are interchangable is where a lot of fiction goes bad.  Just because you get a cool endorphin rush out of getting hit  doesn't mean you take pleasure in being submisssive.  The opposite is also quite true.  They may often exist in the same space, but they most definitely are not interchangable.  

        Actual abuse is taken far more seriously in the BDSM community than almost anywhere else for obvious reasons.
        This is very true, thanks for stating this.

        Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

        by lostboyjim on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 12:31:58 PM PDT

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