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  •  The GOP is finished (9+ / 0-)

    The GOP is finished as a national party unless they can compete for the votes of women and minorities.

    And I don't see how they can do that without losing their base of low-IQ Southern white males.

    Seriously, they'll never win the White House again without major, major changes. In 2016 the economy will be better and the demographics will be even worse for the GOP. In 2020, worse demographics still. This was the year they had to give up on the white-males-only model, and they couldn't do it.

    •  Sorry, they can and will change (1+ / 0-)
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      They will not change enuff to make us like them. But they will change. This year's election is the final showdown for the kraziest of the angry old white men. But by 2016 they will have made a few changes. Not sure what or who or how, but they will change.

      So they will probably do much better next time. The scary part of that prediction is that for the past 60 years or so, usually Americans like to alternate the parties in the White house - two terms of Repubs, then two terms of Democrats.

    •  Not sure that's true, they come back like (0+ / 0-)

      Frankestein's monster.

      Evil is persistent and the TGOP are evil.

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 12:35:37 PM PDT

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    •  The GOP is not finished. (1+ / 0-)
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      And you might remember they made similar pronouncements regarding the death of Liberalism in the late 80s and early 90s. Let us not get too complacent. Let's not rest on our laurels.

      By 2016, more of the old guard will have retired and/or died off. Unless the remaining middle-aged and young neo-conservatives have a true change of heart, they'll be around and will be every bit as vicious and crazed as now, if not moreso.

      What they'll do is develop new techniques, new avenues of influence and new resources to mold the politically-ignorant masses in their likeness. Ignorance is their friend. Education, ours.
      We will have to develop our own ways and means to educate low-information citizens and to expose appeals from the Right rooted in bigotry and hatefulness quicker, easier and more widespread. Better yet, we need to teach the low-info voter how to discern for her/himself and inspire within them the desire to.

      The GOP is far from finished. We need to keep them and their ways in the brightest light of day- not to destroy them, but to coax them back toward the middle of the spectrum to fully partake in the balance once enjoyed in this country- to restore bipartisan spirit and workmanship to our Congress and, hopefully, to restore polite civility to the lion's share of our political discourse.

      And unicorns. I want unicorns.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 12:59:49 PM PDT

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      Never underestimate the power of tribalism.

      I grew up in a Chevy household.  Is there much difference between a Chevy and a Ford?  Not really.  But for one reason or another, I've never purchased a Ford.

      Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 01:10:41 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (5+ / 0-)

      I've been repeating the same thing.  I was raised in Republican household.  As a national party, they've  screwed the pooch.

      What's been fun is hearing the various reasons why moderate former republican types give for their personal defection from the party.

      One surprising reason I've heard lately: the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

      For years, Republicans seem to avoid paying any fallout for impeaching our most beloved President for a personal affair.  But for many people, a line was crossed.  It's so common these days to hear former or current Republicans speak about the impeachment with embarrassment.  They should be embarrassed.  But the bigger impact is with future recruits.  Who wants to join the party that impeached someone for sex?  Not the youth.

      Another reason: the fight against gays.

      Older voters might not appreciate the long-term damage the Republican party has done to itself.  They seem to think people will continue to be born with the same percentages of bigots and haters.  But the truth is many voters have now grown up with one of our parties attacking their friends.  Being gay is ok these days.  The younger you are, the more you understand that being gay is not an affront to others.  

      Final coffin nail:  motivating women regarding choice.

      Republican strategy is to pretend nothing ever changes; the rich will always be respected, women will still vote the way of their men, gays will always be hated, and Lib-rulls will also be less liked.  

      I've come to the same conclusion as you; without women or latinos, how does the GOP survive.  Answer: they don't nationally have much chance.  But their hate will keep them from seeing the reality of their predicament.

      To sum it up, the GOP has been doing everything it can not to appeal to younger voters.  Younger voters are growing up, and with them come Democratic majorities.  As this happens, the GOP flips out more, hoping that by being ever more scandalous and outrageous they'll squeak out another win, and buy some more time.  Most of them don't understand the battles their losing.  

      What's that great saying?  "Pass the popcorn!"  :)

      The symbol for the Republican party shouldn't be an elephant -- it should be a unicorn.

      by Deadicated Marxist on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 01:38:24 PM PDT

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