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  •  Yes and No, this could be somewhat good (6+ / 0-)

    The Syrians have royally fucked up this time. If Turkey invokes Article 5, this gives us an end run around the UN, and takes away China and Russia's power.

    If we attack Syria under a NATO flag of protecting a member state that Syria has attacked, and there's absolute evidence that they have, it stays Russia's hand.

    Then, the fight can be taken to Syria on the order of the first Iraq war - not to overthrow the government or take sides in the civil war there, but to eliminate Syria's capability to further attack Turkey. Of course, in so doing, it weakens Assad considerably and has a good potential to bring about the end of the conflict quicker, albeit still with the post-Assad Syria gov't to be worked out.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 01:22:20 PM PDT

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    •  Well, sure (2+ / 0-)
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      If you're inclined to think that an American military action against Syria is a good thing (and that's what it would be; our NATO "partners" outside of maybe Turkey itself don't have the muscle to bear the brunt of something like this), then an Artice 5 invocation is great.

      I'm not sure everybody would agree with the first part of that conditional.

    •  As long as we don't have to use (1+ / 0-)
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      our Military troops on the ground.  Countries seem to always want to start shi%t but then want the US to finish it.  Our economy can't take it.  If Israel wants to strike Iran go ahead but no American boots should be used to help them. If they need some maps, clothing, artillery...we got you (lol).  Same thing for Turkey.

      •  Exactly what I had in mind (0+ / 0-)

        We get to respond, take out much of Syria's armed forces capabilities without ever setting a boot on the ground.

        Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

        by absdoggy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:55:44 PM PDT

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    •  but this wasn't an "attack" by Syria (4+ / 0-)
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      zett, diffrntdrummr, MKSinSA, wu ming

      There's a huge, heaping difference between one nation mobilising its armed forces against another, and a solitary mortar round landing on the wrong side of the border. When Article 5 was drafted, i can assure you that the latter wasn't in anyone's minds.

      That said, this isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened, and Erdogan made plain that it would not be ignored in future. The artillery response may be all that comes of it but it's not unlikely that Turkey&8212;without NATO's help—will invade northern Syria under the pretext of keeping its own border regions safe. How much Syrian territory they seek to occupy, and how that plays out with the Russians, is anyone's guess.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 02:22:45 PM PDT

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