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  •  Not really what? (1+ / 0-)
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    There are definitely rebel groups that have crossed the border.  And if people are actively attacking from across the border then Syria totally has a right to attack across the border.  If they just know people are there it's a different matter.  I also don't have any information on whether that what happened, but if a country is being attacked then they are totally within their rights under international law to attack back.

    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:50:18 PM PDT

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    •  fog of war (0+ / 0-)

      Turkey has made clear it will not tolerate any further shooting across its frontier. Whether someone on the Turkish side shot first is beside the point.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:53:52 PM PDT

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    •  Not really. They do. But it's not. (1+ / 0-)
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      You don't get to fire on the nationals of another country because someone you are fighting is located there. I know lots of countries do this, including us. But it's actually illegal. It may be understandable. The correct thing to do is to protest to the country you have a problem with, ask them to prevent the cross-border incursions, do everything you can to stop cross-border traffic, and then do the following calculation:

      1. Can the other country retaliate?
      2. Are they much bigger and stronger than my country?
      3. Is there much to be gained by firing on that other country?
      4. Is there anything you can offer to the other country to get their assistance?

      If the answer to 1 & 2 is YES, you might just want to suck it up. If the answer to  1, 2 & 4 is YES then you should probably get the foreign ministers talking. If the answer to 3 is NO, then it really isn't worth worrying about. You get the idea. But personally, I don't see Syria going out of its way to piss off the Turks. I am think a ground commander exceeded his authority by a ways. Think Doug Mac in Korea.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:15:57 PM PDT

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      •  I think the ground commander is a likely (0+ / 0-)

        culprit.  However I can't for a second believe that mortars being lobbed across the border from Turkey wouldn't be a valid reason to retaliate.  Does international law really say that you aren't allowed to do anything if you're being attacked?  That just seems like prima facie wrong, although, it's been a while since I've looked at international law.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:30:46 PM PDT

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        •  There's a time-honored path (0+ / 0-)

          for nations to deal with these things. But I agree; this was likely a fog of war thing.

          For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

          by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 06:22:33 PM PDT

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