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  •  Romney did not say "underemployed" (2+ / 0-)
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    and neither did Clint Eastwood. I'm using the numbers and analysis from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Are you claiming to have better numbers than BLS?

    I understand you have a bone to pick with Obama on this issue, but there is a clear distinction between "unemployed" and "underemployed." And neither Romney nor Eastwood invoked "underemployment"; they clearly said "unemployed."

    You can try to spin this any way you like, but there are NOT 23 -- or 27 -- million unemployed people in the U.S. right now according to any reliable measurement I can find. And while it may exist, I have not yet found a careful pre-Obama study of underemployment that would help us distinguish the underemployment caused by Obama's policies (or lack thereof) and that which existed before Jan 2009.

    Why weasel this around so as to hand Romney a debating score on this issue?

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    by raincrow on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 07:54:34 AM PDT

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    •  I suggest you follow the things that Meteor Blades (0+ / 0-)

      has written on the subject.

      If you will read the definitions used by the BLS, you will see that they exclude a growing group of people.

      You can feel free to worry about debating points all you want.

      Let me ask you this:

      Does the President really want to get into this discussion?

      Does he really want Mitt Romney standing before the nation to explain how the people most hurt by the current economy aren't even included in the official numbers?

      Does he really want Mitt Romney standing in front of the country and saying, "Yes, Mr. President, from a technical, standpoint, I got that wrong.  

      Did you know that somebody who work 6 hours in a week is considered to be under-employed, but not unemployed?

      My fellow Americans, your President my think that 6 hours a week is enough work for you.  I don't.  If you want to work full-time, then I won't be happy until you can work full-time."

      Doesn't sound so smart to me.

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      by dinotrac on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:18:50 AM PDT

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    •  You're right about underemployment... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...THAT figure, meaning people who are working part-time for economic reasons (furloughs or otherwise unable to get a full-time job although they WANT one) is currently 8 million.

      But unemployment also includes a group of people uncounted because they have dropped out of the labor force but are characterized as wanting a job by the BLS. That group, at last count of the BLS's Current Population Survey, was 6.9 million.

      Thus, the total unemployed is 19.4 million (seasonally adjusted). Add in the 8 million underemployed and you get 27.4 million. But you are absolutely right that Team Romney is trying to say that the total number is higher than it is.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:33:52 AM PDT

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