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  •  It doesn't have to be authentic to be believed. (9+ / 0-)

    Some things that are literally beyond belief are believed.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 04:02:49 PM PDT

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    •  I am sure it is believed but not by the LDS Church (0+ / 0-)

      They in fact repudiated it and rejected it.

      •  No. Not repudiated. Not rejected. (3+ / 0-)
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        Said to be not a part of core belief.

        Mitt Romney certainly believes that "White Horse Prophesy" is from Joseph Smith. Same as other Mormons. This is not an obscure part of their lore.

        •  Let's just see what the church says (0+ / 0-)


          The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine."


          So the Church admits that it is not embraced by "Church doctrine." Please just stop.

          •  It was Prophesied by Smith. (6+ / 0-)

            Until another Prophet renounces it publicly it is dogma.

            Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

            by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:03:16 PM PDT

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            •  Here, provenance is the issue. (0+ / 0-)

              The recorded words got to paper after Smith's death. He had no review for authenticity.

              However, research connects "White Horse Prophecy" with numerous other statements from Smith during the same period.

              It has not been "dogma" since 1910.

              The poison in this thing is its elevation of lying to a supported status, an acceptance of secrecy and dissimulation as primary tools for dealing with other Americans.

              Lying involves poison. Consider drinking alcohol. 10% of social drinkers become alcoholics. What you think happens to liars?

              Lie about somebody ??? False witness. That requires a drop of hatred.

          •  Church lore is different from Church docrine. (4+ / 0-)
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            "White Horse Prophecy" is very well known among Saints and quoted by everyone from Reid and Hatch to Glenn Beck.

            It has a status similar to the legend of Orrin Rockwell Porter.

            What is not understood generally is the nature of the White Horse. You have to read more of Smith to connect these dots as he rarely lays everything out at one time. Similarly, the Red Horse in Joseph Smith's extended allegory is violence.

            Mitt Romney ??? He got into "White Horse Prophesy" the way kids get into video games today. He never got out of it.

            LDS owes its kids more than a lawyerly cowardly press release. Smith screwed the pooch; misread the Revelation, Chapter 6; and deserves calumny about parallel to this diary. Embarrass LDS ??? So be it. They're big boys.

            •  And to make matters even more complicated, Mitt's (0+ / 0-)

              patriarchal blessing MAY have included his present. We will never know unless he tells and that will never happen.

              202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

              by cany on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 08:12:14 PM PDT

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