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  •  And here's a classic case of obfuscation... (1+ / 0-)
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    from Mittster.  

    If the facts are against you, muddy the waters.  

    You got facts?!!!   I got facts!!!   Your facts aren't any more factual than mine.

    ROMNEY:  Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.

    I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by 3,000 dollars to $4,000 on -- on middle-income families. There are all these studies out there.

    But let’s get to the bottom line. That is, I want to bring down rates. I want to bring down the rates down, at the same time lower deductions and exemptions and credits and so forth so we keep getting the revenue we need.

    Perhaps a reporter might want to ask Mr. Romney to list the"six other studies" he cites and to investigate the bona fides of their authors, but of course that would involve work, so what you get here is just another version of the "debate" over global warming.
    PRESIDENT:  I've got 900 Nobel scientists telling me that if we don't act soon and do so on a global scale, we could be facing conditions of drought, famine, crop failures and induced political conflicts beyond anything ever to confront mankind in known history.

    ROMNEY:  I've got 600 local weathermen and guys paid by Exxon Mobil who make it plain this is all nonsense.

    MEDIA:  Draw!

    LEHRER:  OK....we now are going to devote the next two minute segment to a review of health care policy.

    Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

    by dweb8231 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:27:03 AM PDT

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    •  Was that during the exchange when... (0+ / 0-)

      Rmoney name-dropped McKinsey & Co.? Oooh, McKinsey -- the impressive consultativizing strategering company.

      The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

      by D in Northern Virginia on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:34:02 AM PDT

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      • was part of comments Romney made... (1+ / 0-)
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        about passage of his health care plan in Massachusetts -- the plan which he today says he will totally eliminate if he becomes President:

        What we did, in a legislature 87 percent Democrat, we worked together. Two hundred legislators in my legislature -- only two voted against the plan by the time we were finished.

        What were some differences?

        We didn’t raise taxes. You’ve raised them by a trillion dollars under “Obamacare.”

        We didn’t cut Medicare. Of course, we don’t have Medicare, but we didn’t cut Medicare by $716 billion. We didn’t put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they’re going to receive.

        We didn’t -- we didn’t also do something that I think a number of people across this country recognize, which is put -- put people in a position where they’re going to lose the insurance they had and they wanted. Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as “Obamacare” goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey & Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.

        So for those reasons, for the tax, for Medicare, for this board and for people losing their insurance, this is why the American people don’t want -- don’t want “Obamacare.” It’s why Republicans said, do not do this.

        And the Republicans had a -- had a plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside. I think something this big, this important has to be done in a bipartisan basis. And we have to have a president who can reach across the aisle and fashion important legislation with the input from both parties.

        I'm not going to spend lots of time pointing out why all of this stuff is nonsense, but he's obviously comparing apples and oranges when it comes to the economic and political circumstances at play in each scenario.  He also completely (and conveniently) ignores the fact that the GOP from day one of Obama's Presidency was already colluding to block any legislative successes on his part as the best means to regain control of the White House and all of Congress.)

        Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

        by dweb8231 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:42:09 AM PDT

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