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  •  again, not true. (0+ / 0-)

    First, the concept of tenure is very liberal.  It is something we should celebrate.  It is central to faculty governance...not dictation from administrators.

    In theory, the people that know the faculty member the best are the ones that make hiring and firing decisions.  The fact that someone is tenure-track does mean that they have certain protections.  For example:

    "Plenty of time to find legal (even if unethical) reasons for firing someone."

    Shows that there must be protections in place. By "legal" you mean reasons based on the bylaws of the department or handbook.  There must be "cause" for non-renewal.  The tenure-track faculty member can't just be fired at a whim.

    There are obviously many cases where the process is corrupted, but so many more times where it works the way it should.

    •  Tenure track faculty can be fired (2+ / 0-)
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      for all manner of reasons which may not formally be stated to be "on a whim," but are often precisely that, particularly at some notorious R1's where "tenure-track" is often used as a means to keep Professors at minimal pay without ever advancing them (in this case, not by firing, but simply by refusing tenure; faculty PARTIALLY evaluates this in conjunction WITH administration, who have the final say).

      •  classic case: Paul Baran, who was kept at (1+ / 0-)
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        minimum professorial salary throughout his entire career.

        Paul Alexander Baran (25 August 1909 – 26 March 1964) was an American Marxist economist. In 1951 Baran was promoted to full professor at Stanford University and Baran was the only tenured Marxian economist in the United States until his death in 1964. Baran wrote The Political Economy of Growth in 1957 and co-authored Monopoly Capital with Paul Sweezy

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        by annieli on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 02:17:32 PM PDT

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      •  generally, if you are refused tenure, you need to (0+ / 0-)

        leave the university.

        I won't deny that there are places where the process is corrupted, but I prefer the tenure process to the business model!

        •  It depends why you're refused tenure though (0+ / 0-)

          If it's some B.S. requirement like you weren't cited enough times that year, that's a problem. Ditto with "enough service." That can be a sticking point and totally open to interpretation. Likewise, student evaluations dropping in terms of total score IF you simply had a bad batch.

          Then there's the really fun one of having an incompetent tenure committee.

          Finally, there's the sad fact that some R1s will hire tenure-track with no intent to ever award tenure at all, simply cycling through tenure-track faculty on-and-on. Some Universities/Departments are notorious for this.

          Just a few examples.

          But I strongly support tenure review over other dubious models. Nonetheless, the process can, and is often, flawed.

          •  yes - Like I said earlier. The process can be (0+ / 0-)

            corrupted.  I did my homework to avoid those places - but often you don't know until you start.

            •  I also specifically asked to see the department (1+ / 0-)
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              by-laws and a letter of expectation before I took my second position.  I was well informed by my adviser!

              •  Often, freshly-minted Ph.D's have no choice (0+ / 0-)

                with the academic job market being what it is, placement is very often not a choice, and with the recent dustup over in Colorado, the notion of landing any tenure-line job within three years is only further underscored for new hires.

                It's not always about choice. I applaud anyone on the job market who can make a selection about which program they would prefer to join, else risk potentially losing their entire academic career.

                Did you receive your second position post-tenure? Am I reading this properly?

                •  no. I left my first position after 2 years (1+ / 0-)
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                  for a different university.  I was able to bring those 2 years with me in terms of the tenure clock.

                  I do understand the job market.  Surprisingly (to some, at least), the market for many teacher ed faculty areas is not that deep.  

                  (By the way, I'm in Wisconsin.  For obvious reasons, we struggle getting people to apply for open faculty positions!)

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