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  •  Sometimes yes, sometimes no (8+ / 0-)

    He can be reality based about some things, but he also deludes himself about the electability of far right Republicans. He simply refuses to endorse or countenance moderates, even when he ends up with someone unelectable like Christine O'Donnell

    •  Kind of like the DK front page (4+ / 0-)
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      that seems to want progressive candidates in seats where moderates would be much better choices. Apparently the belief that kos and Erickson seem to share is that there is a vast untapped pool of voters on their side of the aisle looking for some sort of principled leader, and that playing to moderates is counterproductive. On DK, this is probably why Graves has been endorsed but Heitkamp has not been.

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

      by fearlessfred14 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 09:56:49 AM PDT

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      •  Graves (7+ / 0-)

        He doesn't seem to be any kind of a liberal, if anything he's a Melissa Bean type suburban moderate. I think they endorsed him because Bachmann is a big symbolic target and Berg isn't.

        SSP poster. 43, new CA-6, -0.25/-3.90

        by sacman701 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:15:40 AM PDT

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      •  I might be alone in thinking this, but (5+ / 0-)
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        I suspect it's more a matter of not acting like a complete tool for no good reason, a la Lieberman, than it is being a staunch liberal. Unless I am confusing SSP/DKE and the more liberal Kossacks, people like Tom Perriello are very well liked here, despite being pretty moderate if not conservatives on some issues. The difference is that Perriello, unlike some more conservative Democrats that lost in 2010, wasn't afraid to stand up for his party and his record. He still lost, but he lost by a much smaller margin in a much tougher district than a lot of other people. So perhaps it's just a matter of acting like you are happy to be a member of the party and not like some sort of spineless weasel who will do or say anything to be reelected.

        Also, while I know some areas will never vote for us, I think we make a big mistake in writing off so much of the country. As I have acknowledged in the past, resources are finite, but we are a diverse party that doesn't push out its more moderate members. We should at least talk to voters in more difficult areas. Most people are more openminded than you'd think.

        "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

        by bjssp on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:46:16 AM PDT

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        •  That is exactly it (3+ / 0-)
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          Very well put. The impetus is on candidates who don't bash the larger party for their own short-term gain. I've said it before, but this sort of structurally conservative behavior from folks like McIntyre, which is to keep you're on personal popularity up by bashing the national Democratic party and most of what it stands for, is not a good long term strategy as it really just ends up weakening the Democratic label in the area, and such politicians eventually become the victims. So many liberals were frustrated by folks like Evan Bayh, who loves to pontificate and make ridiculous comparisons on Fox News about other Democrats, but are quite okay with say, Mary Landrieu and Jon Tester because both are willing to take stands supporting their party in tough territory, and will generally vote for the important pieces of legislation when their vote is really needed.

          "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

          by ArkDem14 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:42:54 AM PDT

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          •  Just to be clear, I certainly understand (2+ / 0-)
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            the reasons they do things like distance themselves from Pelosi. Hell, she clearly gets it, as she wisely said that people need to do whatever it will help them win their races. The problem is that, as you indicate, they are doing it while gaining little to nothing in return. There's almost certainly a better way to go about doing this, like saying that while you are happy with your party and its leader(s), you aren't afraid to demonstrate your independence. Saying something like that isn't the same as acting as if you'd rather be a Republican and bashing fellow Democrats just because.

            "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

            by bjssp on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:54:02 AM PDT

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