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  •  Nope. All wrong. (11+ / 0-)

    The whole point of the Gish Gallop is to lay down a mountain of bullshit so fast and so energetically that your opponent looks slow and confused.
       Look at President Obama's debate responses in isolation. He looks calm and measured, a reasonable man. But put Romney in beside him, running over the moderator, talking on like a speed freak, and  it looks like Obama lost the debate.
       The way to do it is to repond with indignation and amazement, as in "What the hell are you talking about? NOW you don't have a five trillion doallr tax plan? What is that on your website?"
      Or: You're going to cut rates and not raise taxes on the middle class, and not increase the deficit because of GROWTH? Yeah, like that worked so well for W. Why not just say "fairy dust!"
       Unless you call out the deception right away, and do it aggressively and act incredulous, you'll just be buried under a mountain of bullshit while you're patiently deconstructing the first lie he spewed out.
       

    •  I think you have it right. (10+ / 0-)

      Obama has to remain Presidential, but humor can go along way toward tearing Romney a new one without sinking to his level.

      The trick is to convey just how crazy and deceptive Mitt Romney is being via tone of voice and effectively dismissing the core of his argument, not so much the specifics.

      Example:

      Obama: (visibly laughing at Romney's dumb remarks) Look, if the private sector was willing to provide coverage for Pre-Existing conditions, control rising health care costs and cover everybody, than there would be no Obama Care to repeal. It only exists because the insurance companies failed. Health Care is not a new issue. The market had plenty of time to correct itself and the insurance companies refused to act. So I did.

      Going backwards is not an option.

      We lose if we choose to forget; the lives of men, and money spent.

      by DeanDemocrat on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 04:12:57 AM PDT

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    •  I wasn't talking about during a debate (0+ / 0-)

      that has come and gone.  I'm saying:  Now that they know the hurricane offense is a possibility...NEGATE IT BEFORE IT STARTS.  I've consistently said that Obama sucked, that he got caught off guard by a compulsive liar and he didn't respond...for whatever reason...he didn't rise to the challenge.

      But he sure as shit can take a look at how he goes into future debates and as the PRESIDENT he can use his opening statement to say:  Look, enough with the fucking lies bud."  Then the viewer and pundit and moderator can also be put on notice that lies aren't to be tolerated or allowed to slide.  

      IMO substance should matter more than style.  IMO Obama won the debate despite Romney's theatrical mastery.  If the consumer is supposed to watch a debate for substantive reasons to vote for one candidate or another...the winner sure as shit shouldn't be the loud guy who didn't tell a single truth in 38 minutes of talking.  As I said in my opener, this isn't fucking high school debate or Beck V Spitzer.  Presidents should be held to a higher standard in terms of decorum and honesty.  Look the part, sound the part...if you don't...you lose...and the media should have immediately called the win for Obama.  It shouldn't be up to fact-checkers a day later to pt out the lies.  The only fucking guy telling it like it was was Reverend Al.  Tweety, instead of bursting a vessel, should have said, "LIES, all LIES, Obama wins hands down."  The CNN bobbleheads should have done the same fucking thing.  Bush was a liar and look what that did for the country.  The media should not be in the pocket of another liar...ever.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. – Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Tue Oct 09, 2012 at 12:06:12 AM PDT

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