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  •  to hell with freedom (3+ / 0-)
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    atana, divineorder, 2dot

    You don't have any freedom worth a damn when you're poor, and besides, freedom is just the excuse they peddle to keep you poor.  Basic physical security would deny the rich the freedom to make as much money as possible and if we do that, then how can they save us all because magic?!

    Sign me up for a communist dictatorship with full employment and a generous welfare state.  I mean it.  Fuck capitalism, fuck freedom, fuck "opportunity" whatever the hell that means.  Another empty promise as far as I'm concerned.  Fuck this glibertarian obsession with theoretical freedom and potential upside that predictably never materialize for anyone but a tiny and already wealthy elite.  The only speech our society gives a damn about is money; they're already beating and arresting us for anything else.  The biggest threat to religious freedom comes from religious people.  The press is already a giant propaganda cartel.  

    To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

    by Visceral on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 11:59:05 AM PDT

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    •  Well, I don't think communism quite panned out (1+ / 0-)
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      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 12:19:02 PM PDT

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      •  panned out according to what? (2+ / 0-)
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        divineorder, 2dot

        More and more I don't see any functional distinction between being legally barred from doing something and being either too busy or too poor to do something.

        In communism, the store is illegal; in capitalism, the store is legal but you can't afford to shop there.  In communism, the shelves are empty; in capitalism, the shelves are full but your wallet is empty.  In communism, they only make the things that people absolutely need; in capitalism, you don't buy anything you don't absolutely need.  In communism, private property is illegal; in capitalism, private property is legal but you can't afford it.  In communism, they don't allow you a vacation; in capitalism, you can't afford to take time off from work.  In communism, a bureaucrat is always telling you what to do; in capitalism, a manager is always telling you what to do.  In communism, a tiny elite enriches itself at society's expense; in capitalism, it's the same.

        Same diff IMO.

        Dmitri Orlov in his book "Reinventing Collapse" had a lot of good things to say about how he saw the Soviet Union as fundamentally more able (and ideologically willing) to provide basic services (food, shelter, education, medical care) to more people than the far wealthier USA, and how he believed that the society the Soviet Union built was more resilient than that of the USA.

        To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

        by Visceral on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 12:47:26 PM PDT

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