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  •  Am I the only one (0+ / 0-)

    hesitant to crow much about the jobs numbers?  What happens if a few weeks from now, right before the election, they get revised downward (as they sometimes do)?  The more that is staked on them the harder the fall.  Perhaps we should be a little more reserved in pointing them out.

    "The bass player is always right"

    by BigOkie on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:24:12 AM PDT

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    •  jobs reports don't change elections (6+ / 0-)

      this close to November. April matters much more. the impact here was to change the media narrative from Wed debate, and that is all.

      Remember the impact from last month's weak job report? Nada. Obama gained.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:43:23 AM PDT

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      •  But as you've said, (2+ / 0-)
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        these job numbers DID have an effect, whether it shows in the polls or not.  They stepped on Mitt's victory (note the AP report in this APR---solemn faces on a plane) AND they made it possible for Obama to cross off another one of his promises, bringing unemployment under 8%.  There can be no argument that these numbers are good for the president's narrative in these next weeks.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:17:16 AM PDT

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        •  don't disagree (3+ / 0-)
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          were it not for the debate, we'd be talking about how good these numbers are, but I'd be saying it doesn't matter that much ;-)

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:22:05 AM PDT

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          •  Well, (1+ / 0-)
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            the same cannot be said for the republicans.  These numbers seem to matter so much to them, that they've cooked up a conspiracy theory in record time to combat them.

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:48:33 AM PDT

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    •  see also (1+ / 0-)
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      BigOkie
      .@TomLavinNH Going to be interesting to see how jobs report impacts things, but I've watched those & seen practically no effect this year
      @ForecasterEnten via web

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:50:13 AM PDT

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    •  We shouldn't crow about it. The Obama camp (1+ / 0-)
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      shouldn't either, except for a few high 5's. It should be the cue to immediately talk about gop obstruction. We need to win the House back.
      Something like this:

      "We are continuing a slow, steady uptick in the economy, however, the numbers are not nearly good enough. The reason is gop obstruction. The gop needs to get out of the way. The gop was voted in in 2010 on a "jobs, jobs, jobs platform. Where are the jobs? What have they been doing? voter suppression and vaginal probes."
      In order to move forward we need to get the gop out of the way. "

      Every Dem talker in the country should be talking about that, in roughly those terms.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 07:01:52 AM PDT

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