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  •  a sane immigration policy (1+ / 0-)
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    PatriciaVa

    would open the door, and facilitate people from Central America and South America, instead of just saying "whoever is closest to the border gets first dibs,"

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    by Keith930 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 08:16:15 PM PDT

    •  Well, if you're Cuban, you do get first dibs (3+ / 0-)
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      Which is why no Cuban-American will ever get more than 30% of the Mexican-American vote in a national election.

      Unless that Cuban American vows to give Mexican nationals the same rights that Cubans get:  You touch American soil, you become an American citizen.

      My rant over, what a tragedy in Guatemala.

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      by PatriciaVa on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 08:20:43 PM PDT

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    •  that wouldn't (1+ / 0-)
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      come close to making immigration policy sane, just shift it around, and lead tens of thousands of impoverished mexicans to immigrate to central america.

      •  yeah...right. like that's gonna happen (0+ / 0-)

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 09:07:46 PM PDT

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        •  really? (0+ / 0-)

          i haven't heard of anything like that, and it seems far fetched. could you send me a link?

        •  Central and South Americans have to traverse (1+ / 0-)
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          Mexico before making it to the United States.

          Do you know how many Sheriff Arpaio's there are in Mexico?  Who never get mentioned here?  6 out of 10 Central American women who traverse Mexico en route to the U.S. are raped.

          Some of the men are, too.

          I am waiting for Mexico to treat its southern neighbors with the same respect it seeks from the North.  

          I'd also like to see a few less diaries about Sheriff Joe, and a few more about Tamaulipas and Chiapas.  There's plenty to write about in both of those Mexican States, and what goes on there makes Arpaio's shenanigans pale in comparison.

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          by Keith930 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 09:23:28 PM PDT

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          •  there are also a lot of kidnappings (0+ / 0-)

            by narco traffickers who want to use immigrants as mules. the 6/10 figure about rape seems high, and doesn't match the accounts i have heard from many immigrants, but it is certainly a serious problem.  
            mexico's policy towards central american immigration is in coordination with and largely at the behest of the US government, not part of some autonomous repressive policy. unfortunately, most of the inhumanity and suffering inflicted by the border is an effect of a contradictory US policies: economic policies that want capital and goods to cross borders at will, but immigration policies that stop the movement of people. wars and "free" trade have devastated mexican and central american economies, while us companies desperately seek low wage, unorganized, and unskilled labor pools who are also expendable. these are the roots of the immigration problem; not abuses by mexican law enforcement.  

          •  There is plenty of law enforcement corruption ... (2+ / 0-)
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            in Mexico, and Mexicans know it, and many speak out against it.  Ditto for many countries south of Mexico.  I've known people in Central America who paid severely for speaking out against law enforcement and military corruption and brutality.

            But while we can speak out against that brutality and corruption, I think we have a more personal interest in opposing law enforcement corruption such as Sheriff Arpaio's that occurs in OUR country.

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            by leevank on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 12:00:34 AM PDT

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          •  Keith - the differences in the laws are stunning (1+ / 0-)
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            The laws for being in Mexico without the proper documents are criminal, and very severe, while the laws for being undocumented in the US are civil violations and the punishment is deportation. I have always found it puzzling that Mexico lobbies so hard for lenient immigration to the US and lots of due process for undocumented Mexicans who enter the US, while maintaining very harsh immigration laws itself.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:35:35 AM PDT

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    •  a sane policy would let in only the highly (0+ / 0-)

      educated and skilled.

      •  a sane immigration policy (1+ / 0-)
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        slatsg

        would rethink the economic and security policies that drive immigration, recognizing the US's role in creating the problem it demonizes. it would also stop criminalizing the most vulnerable who are simply trying to survive in a brutal neoliberal world order. it would be oriented in human rights, not conceptions of defense or corporate economic interest.

      •  At one time we did have an immigration policy (0+ / 0-)

        that favored the highly educated skilled. In addition for decades to legally immigrate to the US you needed a sponsor who would guarantee that they would provide you food and shelter for ten years. You were not able to apply for any local, state or federal assistance of any kind for that ten year period. This would allow you to bring grandma over from the old country as long as you had a place for her to stay. You could work and qualify for unemployment, Medicare and Social Security, but only if you paid into them.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:40:35 AM PDT

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